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#1 Tav

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 08:01 PM

Mk2/3 Polo Suspension Guide

The aim of this guide is to provide a one stop shop for Mk2/3 Polo suspension parts.

Notes: All references to reductions in ride height apply to non-G40 Mk3 Polo's, as G40's are already lower as standard.



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Fixed Spring & Damper Kits

H&R Suspension

The H&R Cup Kit uses fixed rate Bilstien dampers matched with H&R springs. The rear springs can be set to lower the car in two discrete steps. Generally regarded as the best fixed height spring and damper kit available for the Mk2/3 Polo.

Front Height: -60mm
Rear Height: -60m/-40mm
Notes: N/A
Price: £339.25


Source: http://www.hrsuspens...;PartType=SUH04



Koni Suspension

Koni Sport Kit offers adjustable damping and a ~40mm reduction in ride height.

Front Height: TBC
Rear Height: TBC
Notes: Available for G40 and non-G40 models. G40 kit is tuned for the extra front axel weight.
Price: £293.62
Price (G40): £276.60


Source: http://www.awesome-g...suspension.html



PhilJ Suspension Kits

Lowering kits in a range of heights. All kits are come with fixed rate dampers. All kits are height adjustable at the rear. The 60/40 kit will go 60/60, or 60/80. There are 7 adjustment settings on most kits to help create your preferred stance. The front height is set. These kits are fully TUV approved, and come with a 2 year warranty.

Ride Height/Price: 40/40 -£120
Ride Height/Price: 60/40 - £120
Ride Height/Price: 70/60 - £125
Ride Height/Price: 80/60 - £125

Notes: Suitable for use with Mk1/2/3 86/86C/2F.


Source: http://www.clubpolo....showtopic=35527



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Coilover Kits

FK Suspension

FK offer two types of coilover for the Mk2/3 Polo.

The FK Highsport kit offers height adjust:

Height Adjust: 35-65 mm
Notes: N/A
Price: £670.59 (Discounted rate is £570.00).


The FK Konigsport uses Koni Yellow dampers to offer adjustable height and damping:

Height Adjust: 35-65 mm
Notes:N/A
Price: £838.44 (Discounted rate is £712.67).


Source: http://www.performancedriven.co.uk/



Gaz Suspension

Gaz offer one type of coilover unit. It is height and damping adjustable. The customer can choose from a range of spring rates to suit their specific application.

Notes: More information available at: http://www.clubpolo....showtopic=36681

Price: £650




H&R Suspension

H&R offer one type of coilover kit for the Mk2/3 Polo. This kit is height adjustable. H&R use Bilstein dampers, how ever I do not know if these units are adjustable:

Front Height Adjust: 30-70mm
Rear Hight Adjust: 30-60mm
Notes: The kit comes complete with 2 special spanners required for fitting. Adjustable suspension kit is height adjustable within the dimensions as specified in the TüV report. Existing front dampers to be exchanged. Wheel bearings, ABS brackets, etc are not required. In the case of orders which include the struts, only for Polo B. However, they can also be used for the Polo A. A credit note will be issued for the cost of the new struts when the original struts are sent to us.
Price: £856.75


Source: http://www.hrsuspens...;PartType=SUH02



KW Suspenion

KW offer two types of coilover for the Mk2/3 Polo.

The KW Variant 1 kit offers height adjust:

Front Height Adjust: 35-75mm
Rear Height Adjust: 35-75mm
Notes: Height adjustable on the front and rear axles (threaded strut housings). Front axle strut housings on an exchange basis are available for a deposit of £ 289,80 otherwise, please deliver provide original parts in advance. Strut housings for Polo G40 or Polo III built after 9/90 are only available in advance. Strut housings for Polo I/II models must be delivered in advance for the conversion. Strut housings delivered on an exchange basis are only available in a galvanized finish.
Price: £722



The KW Variant 2 kit offers both height and damping adjust:

Front Height Adjust: 35-75mm
Rear Height Adjust: 35-75mm
Notes:Height adjustable on the front and rear axles (threaded strut housings). Front axle strut housings on an exchange basis are available for a deposit of £ 289,80 otherwise, please deliver provide original parts in advance. Strut housings for Polo G40 or Polo III built after 9/90 are only available in advance. Strut housings for Polo I/II models must be delivered in advance for the conversion. Strut housings delivered on an exchange basis are only available in a galvanized finish.
Price: £909


Source: http://www.kw-suspen...list.php?md=238



PhilJ Coilover Pricing

As ever PhilJ is able to offer a range of suspension kits at good prices:

FK Highsport:£550
Weitec: £600
H&R:- £710


Source: http://www.clubpolo....?...st&p=345382

Gaz Custom Coilovers - £650

http://www.clubpolo....showtopic=36681



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Other Suspension Parts

G-lader Site Suspension Components

Powerflex Suspension Bushes

Polo Performance Parts 'Wishbone' Conversion Subframe


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VW Suspension Components

Springs & Shocks

Struts

Top Mounts

Track Control Arms
G40 Track Control Arms

Steering Arms
G40 Steering Arms

Rear Beam Bushes

Bump Stops & Dust Covers

Anti-roll Bar Bushes

Edited by Tav, 05 February 2008 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 08:09 PM

and obviously phil j
but good post
links to the cheapest places people find to buy the individual kits would be a good addition
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#3 Tav

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Posted 13 January 2008 - 08:16 PM

Yup just building it up now, suggestions on additions + pricing from various companies welcomed.


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Posted 24 January 2008 - 10:47 AM

Dude, good effort on this.

Great resource for newbies to Polo suspension setups and possible upgrades.

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 12:45 PM

Yup need to finish it off. Going to do a brake one too I think.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:50 AM

PhilJ can add unfo on his stuff here too surely? Will help people decide which is best.

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Posted 05 February 2008 - 02:04 PM

PhilJ's stuff is all there...apart from the budget kits which I have added info. on just now.

Anything missing people? Feel free to post below with parts I should include.

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 04:46 PM

Excellent, however can anyone tell me where to source rear top mounts for my mk2 89 derby?
I am crying becuase I have the kit but can't source flipping topmounts for the rear!!!!!!



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Posted 20 May 2008 - 09:09 AM

Could somebody clear something up for me please?

I have a 1987 MK2 C (breadvan) - Will any mk3 suspension kits fit it?

I know this has been covered but I want a solid answer before I go spending my cash hehe
Many thanks!
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Posted 09 January 2010 - 08:25 PM

The Phil J link doesn't work where abouts can i find his page

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Posted 03 June 2010 - 07:12 PM

tav have you made up your brake list yet need more stopping power for when i go big turbo on my breaddy
thanks mate

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Posted 03 July 2010 - 12:48 PM

Think some of the links could do with an update, the top h&r one does anyway. Wish i could find them for that price!


H&R cup kit.

Cheapest i could find them.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 03:31 PM

PhilJ Suspension Kit mk1/2/3 kit pleasee!

70/60

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 05:20 PM

if your requesting to buy one you need to go the main page and down to sponsors.. then philj/jackson tuning and ask there

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 12:22 AM

were can i get some phil j 80/90 for my mk2 saloon


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Posted 13 October 2010 - 02:33 PM

heres my 2p

If you lower your car it really is a MUST that you fit the gladersiete or the new PhilJ ARB blocks, and although i'd rather but the money in gladers hands, phils kits are zinc coated, which saves them from the toils of the british weather.

anyway when you lower the front of the car, as its tied together by the anti-roll car, it completely messes up the geometry and the wheels sit too far towards the rear of the arch.

the blocks compensate for this by, lowering the anti-roll bar and bringing it forward.

by bringing it forward it centralises the wheel in the arch, the downwards movement, helps maintain the correctly geometry after lowering, and helps with down-pipe clearance on the aftermarket 4-branchs.

its also a MUST have if you plan on converting your mk1 to a 1.4 or 1.6 16v engine, as the downpipe will rest on the anti-roll bar otherwise.

new top mounts should be fitted with lowering suspension, VW are good and not much more expensive than GSF but both will have a much shorter lifespan due to the nature of the lowering kit you'd be fitting. It's possible to get uprated topmounts - salzmann, bonrath, supersport and some are castor/camber adjustable for the more track-oriented or fast road motors.

a GT/G40 steering damper can be fitted, if using a early polo or derby, you will need the bracket for the steering rack, where the tie-roads fit, as it is tapped for the steering damper to fit to it, the other side just replaces one of the steering rack mounts.

early polo and derbys should upgrade to the later steering rack mk2-3 polo and steering arms, as the very early ones are discontinued, and using pattern parts from a mk2-3 will leave you with bowlegged steering! not fun i can tell you from experience!

you can fit lowering top caps to bring the fronts down by 10-15mm and cut a spring or two (only) ensuring that your spring is still seated correctly and is still under some tension when the car is jacked up.

when fitting the shock inserts, you should put a 2p in the bottom and refill with new anti-freeze, this will take up the extra room in the casing, as the newer shock inserts will be slightly shorter than the originals.

i wouldnt worry about a top strut brace, and lower strut brace which links between the inner track control arm mounts, and a ged bar which attaches between chassis leg at the front of the car on the redundant vw sump guard mounts.

steering arms can be replaced with g40 items as they have rose-jointed inners

track control arms can be replaced with g40 items as they have rose-jointed inners, or superflex/powerflex/gladersiete all sell inner and outer tca bushes, i have run powerflex on std arms and gladerseite outers on g40 arms, both have been fantastic

or is you fancy some wishbones for independant front suspension instead of the one rod of faith (aka anti roll bar) you can fit a Polo Performance Services subframe, which are fantastic value for money and honestly will without a doubt

rear axle bushes should be replaced on any old vw, buy genuine vw only, polybushes will be far too hard.


I've ran the following kits on my polos

mk3 g40
g-max 60mm
195/45/14s on 14x6 wheels

good suspension kit but too soft, under heavy braking the front would nose-dive and scrub on the tyres

mk2 polo
60mm kw kit
lowering top caps
powerflex inner/outer tca polybushes
gladersiete arb blocks
brand new vw rear axle bushes
gt steering damper

as vic said, fantastic handling kit, cheaper than the HnR, miles above the budget kits and comparable to the HnR's, give them a good run for the money, but spring rate is a lil soft on the rear, although its handled a complete afh bottom end/bare polo gti bottom end for 50 miles with no scrubbing bar the last 1 mile where i booted it on some country lanes, and 2 complete afh engines, this caused me a lil bit of grief on the motorway on small bumps and dips, and is still going strong 6 months later after being over 3ks worth of bumpy twisty country lanes

mk2 polo

g40 track control arms with g lader inners
g40 steering arms
pps subframe
hnr cup kit

best handling polo i have had bar none, it ran absolute rings around my mk1 gti, which is renowned for its fantastic handling.

basically i would say, get the best you can afford but this would give the world of difference to any polo

pps subframe
gt/g40 steering damper
HnR Cup Kit
replace all bushes with standard VW items, or if using pattern parts, then replace all bar the rear axle bushes (use vw only)

or substitute the pps subframe above with
gladerblocks
ged brace
inner tca strut brace

i guarantee you will NOT be dissapointed
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Posted 13 October 2010 - 08:38 PM

Brilliant post above, some good info there!

When you say early models would a 84 be classed as early? Got a feeling it would be. I was thinking of a steering damper but you say its a good idea to get a later steering rack? Are these still available to buy new or would it be better to buy second hand you think?

Thanks.

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Posted 14 October 2010 - 02:33 PM

the above post was written for the mk1 polo forum, and as such the early reference was for pre 79 polos.

not sure if you can get new racks, for your mk2 though all you need is the bracket that the steering arms attach to, its just on the bulkhead near the starter motor.

if you pm genesis gt he should be able to provide you a pic of the damper, both unfitted and fitted


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Posted 14 October 2010 - 04:04 PM

Ok sweet, better start collecting some of these parts then!

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 06:27 PM

Anyone know of the length of the tube that makes up a GED bar (minus the plate at the end)? Thinking of knocking one up. What does GED stand for btw?

Edited by prankstar2003, 16 October 2010 - 06:27 PM.





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