^ what he said.

i was on the phone at the time, so thats as creative as my reply was gonna get

VRX

... and the Ugly

SPLx

used to run some off these in my g/f car vrx 6x9 and 2x 8" subs and for cheeper end sheakers and subs they was inpressive compared to some more expence and better know brands

but thats just my view

I worked with ICE for 18 months, and one thing that really made a difference was application. We'd get kids come in and buy some JBL 6.5" speakers for their front doors, run them directly off the head unit, they sound good and they leave happy.

However someone spending £180 on a set of Rockford Fosgates would come back saying they're shit. However if the owner of the Rockfords had bothered to actually amp the speakers rather than running them direct from the headunit he would have been far more impressed.

What I'm trying to say is, certain manufacturers gear only responds well once its been amped, whereas some of the more budget brands will produce good sound just running off the headunit.

I couldnt agree more with the Sony comments, We were taking back 80% of the Sony headunits we sold at one point all faulty!

Ben

its called efficency.. some cheapo vibe/jbl/sony..etc speakers hav mid 80db efficency rating meaning they get loud off of little power ie: a head unit. stuff with 90+db rating will need more power to get them singing :)

wrong way around you donut

and its nothing to do with cheap brands some of the most expensive car audio can be very efficient or have a low efficiency rating

something with a 80db efficiency will need more power than something with a 90db rating

but it changes when you add more power

a XXX is low 80's but is over come with a fair bit of power, remember there usually measured @1w@1m or 2.xxv.

now it doesnt sound much but if you imagine i sell a mid driver thats 99 at 1w@1m and on paper compared to a 90db mids you would need 8 (i think)of the 90db mids to produce the same spl or 16 drivers if there 87db although once you add more power this will go down but will still be alot louder with the same power, but they will sit on 150wrms each so they are seriously loud

there are other factors like moving mass, a xxx has a heavy moving mass so 1w isnt going to tickle it

and box size

i could go on and on and on and on but you get the idea :-D

Edited 29 May, 200620 yr by welsh_barnie

what about Volfenhag

who do you work for,  

OK second thoughts about JL,  may be they can stay    i do like JL gear but there just to expensive for the lower end gear

BBG - I'm faz@BBG off talkaudio

yer thought so i cant keep up with name changes

foxie when he says hes been in the industry 9 years he means he the chief tea boy

has focal official y been added to the port folio yet

cheeky fecker!

Focal Has been on the official portfolio for a while now, we have just launched the new Focal Amplifiers at the CAR trade show :)

bbg sounds fermilier are liquid off nachnach?

i thought i might bump this thread...good thing i saw it, i was looking at a sub and amp package from mutant, and thought to check up on wether it would be good or not!

saved me from making a mistake!

good looking out for this thread.

i have issues with your list

jl should be in B

as should anything to do with Directed, ADS,VIPER ect

jvc and jbl should be in the A list, and magnet actualy, ok there not up to zapco standards but the price reflects that and they are exelent value for money

hifonics should be in B and the new crunch lines should also be in B

You obviously know NOTHING. JL is one of the best quality brands out there.

I have JL in my car and i think you get what you pay for. They are amazing!

Any ideas on how good 'in phase' equipment is?

genesis

whats wrong with audiobahn? :( I've got a 12inch sub and i have no problems?

inphase - far better for the money

audiobahn - far far better for any money, this is one of the ripspeed types of audio comonies!!

Stealth anyone?

I've got a 300wrms amp from them, budget like, but seems decent for the money..

Better than the 'Bad' list, but not sue if its worthy of the B-list.. hmm....

know one has bought Kicker up yet

i like them.

they sound good

reasonable priced

the subs are the same..

what about Hertz??? i just fitted a pair of 3 and a half inch ones the the front of my mk3 and they are really good sound quality.

What about Harmon Kardon-seriously the best sound quality system i've ever heard

Pioneer all the way :-D

haha i think u forgot one for the badist !!!!

ministroy of sound lol

Stealth is one for the Bad List, £30 amps FTL.

Also dont think Hifonics deserve A list status as they're 'budget' stuff is utter shit.

Fi is one for the A-list aswel, not that big over here i dont think, but the vids of installs etc from the States..

I always wondered why my rainbow CMX comps sounds shit!

must stop using my aldi brand headunit and the smart-price 3000wrms amp for £30 from dodgy dave down the pub.

Ahh well atleast i know where i've been going wrong

so i shouldnt get this:

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/mutant-mt2...ai105e8to7pa994

NO, Plain and Simple :)

know one has bought Kicker up yet

i like them.

they sound good

reasonable priced

the subs are the same..

Wehay!

Another Kicker user. I've got a 12" Kicker sub in my boot and it's only 125 RMS - but it still kicks out a hell of alot!

I've got a Kicker 12" sub that I'm waiting for and too I'm soo to be waiting for some kicker 6x9's to go with My hertz Comps when i order them the ill get a JL Sub :)

I've had a sony headunit from brand new in march 2007,

Its been in a high speed car roll and been in 3 other cars,

still works like New!