I am tempted to go have a look, it's not far from me!

Got really excited when i found it just! Came straight here to post it, and found its already here, and not what it seems

the original and working mk2 lader would probably fetch some gooood money on german ebay.

Hi

It's me selling the car on eBay, here is a little history and if you want anything else clearing up, let me know.

I bought this car as a re-shell. The doner was a right hand drive silver polo. The previous owner was totally honest with me. The engine is a rebuilt donor, it has had no faults in the 3 years I have been driving the car. The supercharger is the early type which I had reconditioned by Jabbasport, it was so unusual the asked if he could take some photos as it is only the second of that type he had worked in his long career. The car was supplied with its orignal chassis plate, the registration is from the original G40. All parts have done considerably less than 'epic' mileage, I kept this car well maintained and roadworthy.

As to the value this went up on eBay with no reserve, I honestly have no idea what it's worth and have no expected price. I have no qualms about this cars quality and if i had the money to fix it, or the ability to weld it would not be being sold. As for the listing on eBay it has not been edited- eBay states if a listing has been edited- and I am not happy to see Luke attempt to discredit my listing in this way.

If anyone wishes to come and see the car with a view to bidding they are more than welcome, we had one visiotr this afternoon who spent an hour looking around it, ran it, listened to the engine etc and we had a very long chat about it, he knew it is a reshell and we took it for a test drive. He's owned a G40 before and he was more than happy with the car as I am confident anyone else who comes to visit the car would be.

At the end of the day you can choose to bid on it or not.

Thanks to a kind message I have just recieved I wish to add the following:-

We bought the car knowing it had the original VIN fitted, it matches our V5, as does the cars colour. The car is not stolen, we have been aware of its unusual history from the day we bought it, we paid a price to match. I haven't set out to mislead in the advert, I state it was reshelled from a silver donor car. I don't expect it to sell as an original G40, it is what it is.

Amanda

Had a talk to Amanda via pm, just putting my reply to her here so folks can see where I'm coming from:

Hi Amanda

I'm glad I wasn't the one to tell you that for the first time. Not looking to start an arguement, just to make sure you know the background that puts the vehicle in shakey territory (I used to build kit cars so I've got a fair bit of knowledge on this sort of thing, and I did a lot of reading the first time it was sold).

The main tricky bit is from what I know of this car, Tom did a good job of what he did and did it in good faith, but what he actually did isn't strictly legal. I don't know which VIN it's currently wearing on the slam panel, but mk2 polos have the VIN number on the bulkhead as well as the slam. As I understand it, to convert the car to LHD, Tom swapped the bulkhead from the LHD car onto the RHD car, taking the VIN number with it. That, combined with a few other things, puts it under what VOSA deem either a "Radically Alterred Vehicle" of a "Vehicle built from parts", or if the paperwork isn't all in place, what's colloquially called a ringer. Usually speaking, in a reshell the identity of the shell is retained, so you'd have a modified Coupe S, rather than a G40 with a new body.

From what I know, the modifications would mean it would need a Special or Individual Vehicle Approval test, like a kit car. If it'd have had one of these, as the parts came from a few source vehicles, I would have thought it would have been assigned a new VIN number and a Q-plate?

The thing is, no one would probably ever know what's been done, but if it ever had to be looked over by the Police or VOSA (for example if it was involved in a serious accident), whoever owned it would be in bother.

Hope this makes sense. I'm not looking to discredit anyone, from all I've seen and heard about the car, Tom might have done the wrong thing, but he did it really well, but at the same time, we try to do what we can to keep our members out of trouble.

Steve

This left hand drive mk2 Polo G40 was imported from Germany in 1989 as a coupe s (as it predates the 1991 release UK G40 so it is somewhat cheaper to insure as a result!). The car had done 360,000km (ish) when it was discovered in a barn by the previous owner. The previous owner re-shelled the car using a silver polo coupe. He also procured a replacement engine and supercharger.

Thats the confusing bit for me. The Polo that was imported is gone, the car and engine that did 360,000km is gone, the car that was found in a barn is gone,

Would be alot easier selling it as a Coupe S with a LHD and G40 conversion, Or a Mk2 G40 'Replica'.

In other words, great lengths were made to keep it as original as possible, and this has resorted to an action that is technically against the DVLA's rules. But as long as no jobsworths dig into it there shouldn't be an issue. And this has came about this far because people have been honest, instead of being put to bed years ago.

1p

Well it's only right that profit's shouldn't be made as a result of hidden/secret work, selling the car off as something it isn't. So the seller is morally right to sell it in the honest way they're doing. In which case it's all in good faith and any legal intervention would be a bit unfair.

2p

Still, the risk is there. The DVLA have condemned many good cars on issues, sometimes it's not right but it happens (see pic for one example), as long as people are all aware then it is what it is.

Fact based comment.

Personally i'd have it, but i'd re-shell it for a RHD example. Or just put it on ebay.de where it may have the future it deserves, perhaps even without the past that could threaten it's survival...

Hello,

I just recieved this message and ended my eBay listing, I will be selling the parts through a combination of eBay, club polo and club G40.

Hi Amanda

I'm glad I wasn't the one to tell you that for the first time. Not looking to start an arguement, just to make sure you know the background that puts the vehicle in shakey territory (I used to build kit cars so I've got a fair bit of knowledge on this sort of thing, and I did a lot of reading the first time it was sold).

The main tricky bit is from what I know of this car, Tom did a good job of what he did and did it in good faith, but what he actually did isn't strictly legal. I don't know which VIN it's currently wearing on the slam panel, but mk2 polos have the VIN number on the bulkhead as well as the slam. As I understand it, to convert the car to LHD, Tom swapped the bulkhead from the LHD car onto the RHD car, taking the VIN number with it. That, combined with a few other things, puts it under what VOSA deem either a "Radically Alterred Vehicle" of a "Vehicle built from parts", or if the paperwork isn't all in place, what's colloquially called a ringer. Usually speaking, in a reshell the identity of the shell is retained, so you'd have a modified Coupe S, rather than a G40 with a new body.

From what I know, the modifications would mean it would need a Special or Individual Vehicle Approval test, like a kit car. If it'd have had one of these, as the parts came from a few source vehicles, I would have thought it would have been assigned a new VIN number and a Q-plate?

The thing is, no one would probably ever know what's been done, but if it ever had to be looked over by the Police or VOSA (for example if it was involved in a serious accident), whoever owned it would be in bother.

Hope this makes sense. I'm not looking to discredit anyone, from all I've seen and heard about the car, Tom might have done the wrong thing, but he did it really well, but at the same time, we try to do what we can to keep our members out of trouble.

Steve

Hello.

Thank you for having the patience to clarify this for me. I knew all the facts but not all the implications. As a result of your information, the legally correct thing to do would be to break the car and it will be done. I will end the eBay listing and copy this information onto the forums for all to see. At least I can say I drove a mk2 G40 for 3 years.

Amanda

The real shame is that Tom didn't just strip the Coupe S bare, paint it black, and convert it to GT-G40 spec. The work that's gone into it looks good, so it would've been a tidy car worth a small fortune.

I'd agree with Mikey. The other alternative is have a talk to VOSA (probably what I'd do, nothing to lose if you're gonna break it), there's a reasonable chance it'd have to go for SVA/IVA. The book's an inch thick, but it might pass with as little as an immobiliser being added.

So this is the one Tom had? I never knew any of this about it

Sorry but that's not a reshell, its ringing plain and simple. Taking a silver rhd shell, converting it to lhd and painting it black to mimic the g40 and then putting the g40's plates on it is far from just a re-shell, its actually a criminal offence

You've said in your add that its been re-shelled but that is very misleading as its been more than re-shelled, its been cloned. It's had the id from one car put on another, now the 'doner' shell may not be stolen but if this does ever come under scrutiny from the authority's they will treat it just like it is, after all its just a untraceable shell with with another car's id on it, how are they to know if its stolen or not?

The shell will not be sold, I am going to make the best of a bad situation, I certainly did not intend to mislead anyone and was totally unaware of the legalities otherwise I would have not bought the car. The listing has been removed, it's been great owning this car and i'm sure the parts will help spruce up some great polos out there.

Yeah I saw your post about breaking it after I posted mine so I deleted as if that's the way its going then its not like you needed more know it all's rubbing salt into the wounds. It's a shame but at least you ain't doing what some less scrupulous types might of done and just carried on regardless and hoped the buyer didn't find out

Edited 22 February, 201214 yr by Mclovin

It's gone did it sell or was it removed

Seriously?

It's gone did it sell or was it removed

I'm going to bed now, it's been a long day. Thanks everybody for your assistance.

Build yourself a 89 Bready G40! :)

What would be the legality's of selling it on but explaining the details of its past? It would still make good money as a doner for some one, just look at how much that rolled mk3 g40 went for on the bay recently and this one has some much rarer parts on it

i want the engine stuff! lol

^^ me too!

^^ me too!

I WOZ FIRSTZZ

Hi amanda

I wasnt trying to discredit you i was just concerned that someone else would end up in the same boat i did.When i had it the chassis number on the bulk head was from the g40 not the b plate that the shell was.The vin would match your v5 as you have the v5 from the g40

I have sent you a pm

Luke

What would be the legality's of selling it on but explaining the details of its past? It would still make good money as a doner for some one, just look at how much that rolled mk3 g40 went for on the bay recently and this one has some much rarer parts on it

I can't see any reason it can't be sold as a car-shaped pile of parts so long as the buyer knows the score with it. That or sold for off road (eg track) use.