Well, I'm Scottish (born to Scottish parents, and in Scotland) and spent the first few years of my life pretty much in Glasgow, obviously too young to understand what was going on. Then up until 2 years ago I lived in the South East of England, a few years in Essex then 5 years in Kent. At first I loved it, then as I became interested in what made the world go round, I began to hate it.

So, we moved up here. About 35 miles North of Aberdeen. Middle of nowhere. It's absolutely fine where I am because I'm so far away from everything nothing really matters. But there are so many people that seem determined to rip Scotland apart. An independant Scotland? Sure, sounds like it could work, but will it, really? As much as I hate to say it, because of the EU, most Scotland could not survive without England.

There are some areas, primarily the North East of Scotland, where pretty much all the money comes from local businesses etc, from offshore oil work to specialist engineering. There is one government party who wants ALL income to be part of the state, I don't understand how this could work. To me, it seems as if a communist government is trying to undermine the entire country. The further I look into it, the more it scares me. I don't pretend to properly understand politics, but I know it's not right.

The same applies to England too, no doubt. I just don't think people realise we get it bad up here too.

the socotland independance issue divides the 30 odd scottish guys on my course (there are 203 of us an we all live together...)

as for the BNP, well, yeah, somethign needs to be done about alot of thisgs, but i sure as hell wont touch the BNP, immigration in moderation has made britan great, now its just saturation.

catholic conspiricy!!?!?! you should see what the americans get upto there's more than just freemasonry in them there hills i tell thee.

anyhoo, how did we get onto deep politics when discussing how much are wallets are raped by fuel costs?

this might be worth a read for anyone else pissed off about immigration... the sun

^ read that in the actual paper... lots of people thinking it, not many saying it.

^ read that in the actual paper... lots of people thinking it, not many saying it.

i very rarely miss Gauntys or Kevin Mackenzies columns in the sun, the only problem is after reading them i tend to be pritty pissed off

Well, I'm Scottish (born to Scottish parents, and in Scotland) and spent the first few years of my life pretty much in Glasgow, obviously too young to understand what was going on. Then up until 2 years ago I lived in the South East of England, a few years in Essex then 5 years in Kent. At first I loved it, then as I became interested in what made the world go round, I began to hate it.

So, we moved up here. About 35 miles North of Aberdeen. Middle of nowhere. It's absolutely fine where I am because I'm so far away from everything nothing really matters. But there are so many people that seem determined to rip Scotland apart. An independant Scotland? Sure, sounds like it could work, but will it, really? As much as I hate to say it, because of the EU, most Scotland could not survive without England.

There are some areas, primarily the North East of Scotland, where pretty much all the money comes from local businesses etc, from offshore oil work to specialist engineering. There is one government party who wants ALL income to be part of the state, I don't understand how this could work. To me, it seems as if a communist government is trying to undermine the entire country. The further I look into it, the more it scares me. I don't pretend to properly understand politics, but I know it's not right.

The same applies to England too, no doubt. I just don't think people realise we get it bad up here too.

You live close to where I'd love to move to. Been to Scotland before and love it up there, off again for a week around my birthday in November.

Making Scotland independant isn't all it's made out to be by some people. Isn't one of the main arguments for it is the North Sea Oil? But then isn't the world trying to get away from using natural resources like that, so demand in the future is surely going to fall?

If you live in an area like I do where the vast majority always vote a different way to you, then your vote will never count

Sadly I live in one of these areas too. I like to think its quite a prosperous area, but this is not good in every way. I previously lived in a far worse area, and you get a much better view of the situation down on the ground. In the area where i currently live, people are very well-to-do, but they have their heads in the clouds. Its not that they ignore the problems, its that they aren't aware of them. Its due to this that they consistently elect our lovely local MP, Nick Clegg, new leader of the unelectable Lib-Dems.

I'll vote for whomever i decide is best at that moment and in the long run. I know my vote my not count atm but i hope that it may have some effect in the long run!

there is absolutely no chance of immigration being stopped.

the new aussie style laws wont work,itll just force immigration more underground.

were always gnna have a shit goverment due to the absolute shit choices we have of who to vote, even then their hands are tied by EU and other things.

this countrys going down the shitter very fast and i opersonally dont reckon its gnna improve.

Dont mind paying tax if i see the worthile benifits, its that simple really.

Stop fucking starting wars / bumming goerge bush when he starts wars.

biggest waste of money ever

petrol costs are fucking ridiculous, and are gnna get worse until were all runnign water cars or whatever the latest idea is

and finally that new car advert on TV with the deer thing int road, collosion warning ? fuckign watch the road n drive your car.

breeding a nation of mindless fucking slaves to this shithole

^^^^ This man for PM

^^^this jerk for deputy PM.

maybe then we'd end up with another unelected jock PM at some point

It'll be fine, I have an English accent, and I know what the people want

Make people on the dole earn their living- car washing, picking up litter, road sweeping (and maintaining), and make prisoners work too!!

Chain gangs american stylee

actually thats a really good idea, why pay people to sweep the streets and shit when the government are already paying people that are capable of doing that, make them earn there money.

Unfortunately it would never work- people who have murdered, raped, stabbed others have rights too you know... imgaine the law suits if one of them got aids for picking up a dirty needle- sweet irony.

there is absolutely no chance of immigration being stopped.

the new aussie style laws wont work,itll just force immigration more underground.

were always gnna have a shit goverment due to the absolute shit choices we have of who to vote, even then their hands are tied by EU and other things.

this countrys going down the shitter very fast and i opersonally dont reckon its gnna improve.

Dont mind paying tax if i see the worthile benifits, its that simple really.

Stop fucking starting wars / bumming goerge bush when he starts wars.

biggest waste of money ever

petrol costs are fucking ridiculous, and are gnna get worse until were all runnign water cars or whatever the latest idea is

and finally that new car advert on TV with the deer thing int road, collosion warning ? fuckign watch the road n drive your car.

breeding a nation of mindless fucking slaves to this shithole

amen brother

Make people on the dole earn their living- car washing, picking up litter, road sweeping (and maintaining), and make prisoners work too!!

Chain gangs american stylee

actually thats a really good idea, why pay people to sweep the streets and shit when the government are already paying people that are capable of doing that, make them earn there money.

Unfortunately it would never work- people who have murdered, raped, stabbed others have rights too you know... imgaine the law suits if one of them got aids for picking up a dirty needle- sweet irony.

Rapists deserve all of their rights being revoked, including the ones they were born with...

Make people on the dole earn their living- car washing, picking up litter, road sweeping (and maintaining), and make prisoners work too!!

Chain gangs american stylee

actually thats a really good idea, why pay people to sweep the streets and shit when the government are already paying people that are capable of doing that, make them earn there money.

Unfortunately it would never work- people who have murdered, raped, stabbed others have rights too you know... imgaine the law suits if one of them got aids for picking up a dirty needle- sweet irony.

Rapists deserve all of their rights being revoked, including the ones they were born with...

and there bits chopped off

Make people on the dole earn their living- car washing, picking up litter, road sweeping (and maintaining), and make prisoners work too!!

Chain gangs american stylee

actually thats a really good idea, why pay people to sweep the streets and shit when the government are already paying people that are capable of doing that, make them earn there money.

Unfortunately it would never work- people who have murdered, raped, stabbed others have rights too you know... imgaine the law suits if one of them got aids for picking up a dirty needle- sweet irony.

Rapists deserve all of their rights being revoked, including the ones they were born with...

and there bits chopped off

well yeah that's what i was implying....

There's only one thing worse than a rapist imho

There's only one thing worse than a rapist imho

lib-dems?

/\/\ he makes a valid point

Certainly does. We need to get our heads together on voting. England and Scotland,that is. England voted Tory last election. Scotland voted Scottish national. Who's in power? Why? Because the minorities of labour in both countries got added together,creating a total bigger than either of the winning votes.. England cant vote SNP. Scotland wont vote Scottish Tory. So the loosers will stay.

BNP tbh......

haven't read the whole thread but i think its rather pointless, petition and all that..

The Guv will still increase the prices and we'll still pay them cause we need to drive.

Either that or catch the bus.

Or Red Diesel..