I do like VW but lets not be bios here. The price of a Polo is nearly double to a 106 or Saxo. They use thin gauge metal which is anouned for dinting easy thats why you never see a straight citreon/peugeot. But they dont rust badly the bodywork is undersealed properly. And are very good in chrashes renault is one of the safest cars to be in in a crash. They are anouned for bad electrics, to many gizmos to go wrong with. But there cheap and you get what you pay for. Although the diesel engines are very good and you will find even Honda use parts from French Diesel engines. Hdi engines are one of the best diesels around. As for the Petrol they are pretty well built engine in fact there better than lets say Ford, fords bodywork is very poor.

Have you seen a saxo crash test?

Here it is:

http://www.euroncap.com/tests/citroen_saxo_2000/70.aspx

Same age lupo:

http://www.euroncap.com/tests/vw_lupo_2000/27.aspx

I know which one I'd walk away from! Renault makes safe cars, peugeot and citroen don't.

Look at an old Renault Clio, doubt it is much better...every one is in the game of making safe cars now...that's why they are so freaking heavy.

french cars now are officially shit. espesh new stuff

Keeping in a performance orientated mind set I present the following as a counter argument to your ill informed statement:

Renault Sport Clio 172/182/Cup/Trophy

Renault Sport Clio 197/R27

Renault Sport Megane R26/R26-R (when it comes out)

Renault Sport Twingo 133/Cup

Some of the best front wheel drive hot hatches ever made...

...Citroen and Peugeot aren't doing much exciting at the moment but make good cars for the regular market.

i don't normally agree with you, but you have a very good point, it gets so fucking tiering with all the vw ass licking. vw's are not the best cars on earth, we love them but we love them for there faults, not because they are so good.