Not all the BNP are just 'everyday people', Nick Griffin is the son of a Tory landowner, he went to a private school, then Downing College at Cambridge University. Griffin lives off a six-figure inheritance and has his own farm in Wales, the man has had failed business attempts that's all, he's never had a 'proper' job in his life.

Their ex-cabinet also used to include convicted bombmakers (see Tony Lecomber or Robert Cottage) and people with other serious convictions including assault and firearms convictions.

Former members believe it or not have gone on to find extremist fundementalist Islam whilst in prison, what does it say about them?

The BNP are anti-democratic if god forbid they did make it into power, the only way to overthrow them would be with the use of force, they are a very different party to what they would have you believe, someone said earlier better the devil you know, than the one you don't, unfortunately this is correct; don't trust the BNP, they are not what you think they are, far more sinister than that.

Yer I agree with FoleE. The BNP prey on the sort of people who are easily led, matching their policies to the things that our current government fail on. If you read up on any white supremacist sites, for example Stormfront and the British people's party, there are threads where there are discussions about what points to raise, and what topics to bring up to sway people towards the BNP. They are very clever, and to me it seems they're almost brainwashing people with their bullsh*t to try and get into power. Do some more in-depth research about them and you'll probably find what a bunch of fascist, racist twats they really are.

you have to be a mug to seriously vote for the bnp

Yer I agree with FoleE. The BNP prey on the sort of people who are easily led, matching their policies to the things that our current government fail on. If you read up on any white supremacist sites, for example Stormfront and the British people's party, there are threads where there are discussions about what points to raise, and what topics to bring up to sway people towards the BNP. They are very clever, and to me it seems they're almost brainwashing people with their bullsh*t to try and get into power. Do some more in-depth research about them and you'll probably find what a bunch of fascist, racist twats they really are.

dont this work for all parties , they all come up with relative policies around voting time to get in power

and yes you probably would find out what a bunch of dickheads they are , but then all the other parties are as well .

what ever party you vote for your gonna get fucked over in some way , may as well be some one different

voting for the bnp would put us back in the dark ages.

vote tory, as thatcher isnt leading anymore, labour have fucked us an the lib-dems cant govern their way out of a wet paper bag, see the state of MK for evidance.

you have to be a mug to seriously vote for the bnp

just like you'd seriously have to be a mug to vote labour (look at the mess they've made) and you'd seriously have to be a mug to vote tory (talk about a party getting into power on protest votes), Mr Camran didn't even reveal his polices for if he got into power because he was so certain they would win, it wasn't until the poles took a slight turn towards Labour when brown announced his 'plan to save the world' that he was forced in to disclosing them.

and yes some BNP member are convicted criminals, so what? so am i, so are most of the people i know in one way or another. the people that run northern island used to order bombing and executions ffs! besides if its ok for peers to have a criminal record then why not the ministers who appoint them?

we have a BNP member in charge of our estate (up till this time round it was always a guaranteed labor seat), and believe it or not he's not a skin headed tatood moron in a string vest, he's a fairly young nice chap and he's doing a good job. or is this all a show to get into power and take over the world and do a little ethnic cleansing for good measure??

law makers shouldnt be law breakers

fact

dont this work for all parties , they all come up with relative policies around voting time to get in power

and yes you probably would find out what a bunch of dickheads they are , but then all the other parties are as well .

what ever party you vote for your gonna get fucked over in some way , may as well be some one different

Yeah I guess it does work for most parties, but they aren't racist/ fascist idiots, that's what sets them apart. Just think realistically what would happen if the BNP came into power. For example, the NHS would be seriously affected as a lot of professionals in hospitals are immigrants, we'd probably loose allies, like america because the president is black, we'd be withdrawn from the european union, so trading would be affected etc.

It does rile me when I see things on the news like muslims have been protesting against our soldiers, and that they would like to see the flag of allah flying over downing street; yeah I'd love to kick those f*ckers back to their country, but they're in the minority. In my opinion they are a mis-representation of the majority of Muslims, so why kick them all out?

Anyways I think this argument is kinda pointless as It's all about opinion!

law makers shouldnt be law breakers

fact

try telling that to the mp's that screw the housing system to get there mortgage's paid for, also tell it to the mp's that sell peerages, that get cash for questions, and the ones that admit to taking drugs in their youth. greed, corruption and criminal activity go hand in hand with mp's in all the major parties. at least the BNP are trying to get into power for a real reason that they believe in other than financial gain and easy living like the other 3.

dont this work for all parties , they all come up with relative policies around voting time to get in power

and yes you probably would find out what a bunch of dickheads they are , but then all the other parties are as well .

what ever party you vote for your gonna get fucked over in some way , may as well be some one different

Yeah I guess it does work for most parties, but they aren't racist/ fascist idiots, that's what sets them apart. Just think realistically what would happen if the BNP came into power. For example, the NHS would be seriously affected as a lot of professionals in hospitals are immigrants, we'd probably loose allies, like america because the president is black, we'd be withdrawn from the european union, so trading would be affected etc.

It does rile me when I see things on the news like muslims have been protesting against our soldiers, and that they would like to see the flag of allah flying over downing street; yeah I'd love to kick those f*ckers back to their country, but they're in the minority. In my opinion they are a mis-representation of the majority of Muslims, so why kick them all out?

Anyways I think this argument is kinda pointless as It's all about opinion!

but then maybe mate thats why the uk is in such a mess , it has too many people from abroad to suport our economy . and would it be such a bad thing if we lost the doppy yanks as allies (dont know how you can call them that but) as the president is already sending suspected terrorists back to the uk . and if anything this could help our economy by having to create jobs to make the stuff we get from yank land and so fourth . and i`m not saying kick out every one but why cant we have a no job no entery system like australia , so we can at least get everyone working again before anyone else comes over and send their wages abroad to ruine our economy a bit more

and i`m not saying kick out every one but why cant we have a no job no entery system like australia

Canada is another one, i looked into moving there a few years back and it works on a points system, you answer a very detailed questionnaire about you, your reasons for wanting to move there, work experience and qualifications ect and you get points for each answer, if you don't get the points you need (which was quite a lot iirc) you don't get in. if you already have a job lined up tho you get more points for that. couldn't any one in this thread say that that would be a bad system to have?

also any body coming to live here shouldn't be entitled to dole/government hand outs/housing benefits, or free NHS until they have worked and paid into the system for say 5 years. that would stop all the free loaders and health care tourists that we get now. if you go to some where like America you have to have medical insurance (or what ever its called), if you haven't and you need to use the hospital you have to pay for it.

how many of these 'refugees' that we get coming here can truly call themselves that? if they were just looking for a safe haven then whats wrong with all the other country's they've just passed through to get here? could it have any thing to do with the fact they won't get a free house, free money and health care and handouts to furnish there new houses?

We all know the immigration system here is a joke, even with the new system that they're implementing, it will still be crap. Ever had a look at how easy it is to emmigrate to the USA? Pretty much impossible because they are so stringent with it, unfortunately this then means they have high levels of 'illegal aliens'.

Something needs to be done, I think it was a recent UN report that said the UK would soon be the most populous country in Europe soon if it's growth trend continues. However kicking people out of the country is the worst way to go about it, bad for relations, bad for the economy, bad bad bad, the BNP being the worst because their policy is just straight up racialism.

For the record I would rather have hard working Poles than some UK nationals who seem to think it is their right to just sit at home being propped up by the state and paid for by the taxpayer.

For the record I would rather have hard working Poles than some UK nationals who seem to think it is their right to just sit at home being propped up by the state and paid for by the taxpayer.

Interesting that the lazy bums sat at home watching trish are usually the first to complain as well.

apologies that this is SOOOOO far off topic....

We all know the immigration system here is a joke, even with the new system that they're implementing, it will still be crap. Ever had a look at how easy it is to emmigrate to the USA? Pretty much impossible because they are so stringent with it, unfortunately this then means they have high levels of 'illegal aliens'.

Something needs to be done, I think it was a recent UN report that said the UK would soon be the most populous country in Europe soon if it's growth trend continues. However kicking people out of the country is the worst way to go about it, bad for relations, bad for the economy, bad bad bad, the BNP being the worst because their policy is just straight up racialism.

For the record I would rather have hard working Poles than some UK nationals who seem to think it is their right to just sit at home being propped up by the state and paid for by the taxpayer.

i'm not on about kicking people out (well apart from the ones that shouldn't be here in the first place, and the fanatics) but what does need to be sorted is the amount and type of people we let in, immigration is only good for a country's economy if the people coming here have some thing to offer, and that's not racism that's common sense. its funny how you mention hard working poles and lazy brits. now the work has dried up most of the working immigrants have gone home as theres no work here for them and what we're left with are the lazy immigrants that just came for the benefits, and as for the lazy brits, who's fault is that? labor have created a state were you're better off not working than working.

like i've said before, i don't support all their polices but some of them make sense to me (even if it is just there way to get votes just like all the other parties do) in fact more of there polices reflect how i feel than the polices of the big 2. the way i see it is if we do a protest vote against labor and vote tory then very little will change, why would it? these people only make drastic changes when there backed into a corner. but if enough people say fuck this same old bullshit and vote BNP then some thing will change, because the big 2 will see that the people of this country have had enough of the same old shit and they really will have to seriously look at what the people of this country want rather than just doing as they like.

For the record I would rather have hard working Poles than some UK nationals who seem to think it is their right to just sit at home being propped up by the state and paid for by the taxpayer.

Interesting that the lazy bums sat at home watching trish are usually the first to complain as well.

apologies that this is SOOOOO far off topic....

Correct, if you guys are so interested in Politics go and join a party (if not already done so) and get on a forum there.

This CAR FORUM topic should die. Couple of weeks ago we were talking about Cadburys on another topic.

cadburys made one of the top 5 losses on the LSE today :)

sorry....ill go....

Correct, if you guys are so interested in Politics go and join a party (if not already done so) and get on a forum there.

This CAR FORUM topic should die. Couple of weeks ago we were talking about Cadburys on another topic.

you know what direction this thread has taken now so if you don't like reading it then don't read it

i'm not on about kicking people out (well apart from the ones that shouldn't be here in the first place, and the fanatics) but what does need to be sorted is the amount and type of people we let in, immigration is only good for a country's economy if the people coming here have some thing to offer, and that's not racism that's common sense. its funny how you mention hard working poles and lazy brits. now the work has dried up most of the working immigrants have gone home as theres no work here for them and what we're left with are the lazy immigrants that just came for the benefits, and as for the lazy brits, who's fault is that? labor have created a state were you're better off not working than working.

You diluted my words, I said some UK nationals, I didn't use the blanket phrase 'lazy brits' and accept that not all Poles are hard working, everybody is an individual after all, however to say most of the working immigrants have gone home is wrong, some have but nowhere near all, the place next door to where I work is being stripped and refurbed using a team of what appears to be completely eastern europeans; whether this is good or bad depends on your point of view.

Also anyone can print a list of their 'policies' however actually having the knowledge and ability to run a country is something completely different, the BNP are good for a protest vote that is all, however this will hand votes to Labour at the same time, I would rather have some policy change under a new Government, than Labour again.

And as McLovin said, if you don't like it don't read it, however politics effects everything including cars whether you like it or not. The sooner people realise this, the sooner that we might have a genuine chance for 'change' in this country.

This CAR FORUM topic should die. Couple of weeks ago we were talking about Cadburys on another topic.

Was that the guy who got a voucher for complaining and was kicked out of the pound shop or something?

standards are dropping... rapidly.

I vote for a bit of lockage to be applied to this thread now.

You diluted my words, I said some UK nationals, I didn't use the blanket phrase 'lazy brits'

Also anyone can print a list of their 'policies' however actually having the knowledge and ability to run a country is something completely different, the BNP are good for a protest vote that is all, however this will hand votes to Labour at the same time, I would rather have some policy change under a new Government, than Labour again.

And as McLovin said, if you don't like it don't read it, however politics effects everything including cars whether you like it or not. The sooner people realise this, the sooner that we might have a genuine chance for 'change' in this country.

i just used the lazy brits line as a way of not having to type out the line you wrote, guess i'm a bit of a lazy brit too

tbh any one that thinks labor is going to get into power this time needs to up there meds, no mater how many people protest vote to the BNP, lib dems or any other party the torys are still going to win by a land slide, see the people protest voting won't be people that usually vote for the torys, it will be people that usually vote for labor so it will be labor down on the votes and not the torys

This CAR FORUM topic should die. Couple of weeks ago we were talking about Cadburys on another topic.

Was that the guy who got a voucher for complaining and was kicked out of the pound shop or something?

standards are dropping... rapidly.

I vote for a bit of lockage to be applied to this thread now.

i'm guessing the mods are letting this run as even tho its off topic its being handled in a sensible manor and is a proper discussion rather than just people throwing insults at each other. as said above you know how the thread has gone, if you don't like it then why are you still reading it?

You diluted my words, I said some UK nationals, I didn't use the blanket phrase 'lazy brits' and accept that not all Poles are hard working, everybody is an individual after all, however to say most of the working immigrants have gone home is wrong, some have but nowhere near all, the place next door to where I work is being stripped and refurbed using a team of what appears to be completely eastern europeans; whether this is good or bad depends on your point of view.

Also anyone can print a list of their 'policies' however actually having the knowledge and ability to run a country is something completely different, the BNP are good for a protest vote that is all, however this will hand votes to Labour at the same time, I would rather have some policy change under a new Government, than Labour again.

eastern europeans thats just great , so we`ve got 2 million unemployed and we are paying eastern europeans . that just sums it up .

and labour wont be back in for years , every one i`ve spoke to is going tory or bnp , even my parents said they feel like voting bnp at the moment

does the '2 million' number also include the lazy bums who dont want jobs and are happy with the dole?

does the '2 million' number also include the lazy bums who dont want jobs and are happy with the dole?

yep but it also includes a shit load of people born in different countries too, but if they had a party with some balls in charge then they would cut the benefit system so people can't live the easy life on it. the dole should only be eligible for people actively looking for work, if you ain't got a job in say 4-6 weeks they offer you 3 jobs you can turn 2 down if you don't think they are suitable but if you turn down the 3rd your dole is stopped. obese people should not be allowed to live on the sick, if they got off there fat arses to go to work they wouldn't be so fat and there life's wouldn't be so shit, people with disabilities that are curable but refuse to have the operations/treatment to cure them should have there benefits stopped. couples who work but are on low incomes should get help, no longer should it be better off for them to live separately, rebuilding the traditional family should be any future governments priority after labor have spent so long trying to destroy it. the whole system needs turning on its head and starting again tbh.

these are hard times we are living in and it needs some tough action to sort things out, Australia - a nation built on immigration - have slashed the amount of immigrants they will let in so its easier for the people already living there to get jobs, is this racists, or just common sense?