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put a 140bhp petrol engine against a 140bhp diesel engine in an identical car, the petrol would win ime

raced a '190bhp' new shape astra diesel, cdti? apparently it was mapped but either way it has similar power even if it wasnt mapped upto that power. but it was genuinely the same speed as my 318is which is a 140bhp 1.9 16v. thing is when you put your foot down in a petrol you know you can keep your foot planted untill its at the redline, rather than trying to keep the car in boost

i drive my mums 2.5 tdi v6 audi a4 avant sometimes which is 150bhp and about 300 torques, and it feels very quick low down in the revs, but actually trying to go from standing to a high speed through the gears it suuuucks tbh

KY warming jelly is a necrophilliacs best friend.

Hahahaha I'll give you a tenner if you change your name to teddy bundy.

It annoys me when people claim that 'diesel has caught up with petrol' when it clearly hasn't.

Take a 2.0 diesel and a 2.0 petrol car, both the same car etc and both N/A engines.

The petrol will win hands down everytime.

But these days 99% of diesels have a turbo attached, but they are still compared against the standard N/A petrol model of the same car.

And yes at this stage the diesel might have the advantage but its not really a fair test. But even so an N/A petrol will still put up a decent fight against the turbo diesel car.

But then to make the comparision fair again a turbo would need to be attached to the petrol car. Now if you were to compare the two the diesel would maybe keep up to about 30ish but the now turbo petrol car will soon leave it for dead.

Then there is the fuel economy argument which again annoys me.

Your average petrol car these days seems to be returning mid to high 30's to the gallon and the diesels seem to be returning high 40s low 50s to the gallon.

But no body has seemed to catch on that this could be seen as a backwards step.

Just 10 years ago you could buy a 1.4 petrol polo that could happily return mid to high 40s to the gallon and obviously be cheaper to fuel, tax etc.

Now I'd like to see a new 1.4 litre petrol car give that same mileage...I actually don't think there is one.

So thats where diesels may seem more attractive today.

I do 200 miles a week on the m62. Big cars are better on the motorway but big cars are heavy which means I'd be spending a fortune on fuel if it wasn't diesel. Simple! Then I have a turbo petrol car to have fun in because while my passat is a lot of things, it definitely isn't fun.

I do agree that people have gone diesel mad though, people who do bugger all mileage are buying them because it just seems to be the thing to do. I don't think I'd ever want one as my only car but as a daily when you do a lot of miles, it makes sense.

I'll throw my bit in here;

Been a daily denzel driver now for some 10 years.

The 1st car being a Mk4 Golf SDI, which wouldn't pull the skin off rice pudding, but would return around 62mpg. I've had other models since (MK4 Golf 130PD & MK5 Golf 140 PD) & doing around 30K per year have averaged somewhere around 48MPG

Cracking cars, cheap to maintain & run for the type of driving I do, with plenty of pull.

New Mk6 140 CR engine within the first 4K of ownership is averaging 58MPG with some journeys now returning into the 60's.

My point on this is that from a tax liability issue, the denzel cars in terms of emmisions win hands down every time, & they are getting better & better all the time.

So maybe this is why there is a diesel craze at the moment????

Edited 1 June, 201016 yr by HoppyGTi

Go drink some diesel, then drink some petrol.

You'll find that the derv tastes better everytime.

Maybe that's why people are going crazy?

No love for them here,or their hushed link to the ever growing asthma in kids that was being thrown about several years ago. Maybe nothing in it,but no surprise when everytime i see one squatting under acceleration,its churning out a cloud of thick black soot - and that's the posh new ones.

I dont appreciate getting greasy feet at petrol stations either,but its better than hitting spilt diesel on a road. Even though I'm not a biker.

But i still have to use a diesel van on occasion,even though i bought a large petrol estate car for work the other day. Still,smelly and greasy-handed fill-ups are my only problem,the terrible rev range of 2-4k doesn't really bother me in the van. Doubt the neighbours appreciate the racket at 6am,though.

I used to drive petrol engined Passats for business trips, then a 2.2 astra which I sacked off for a CDTI Diesel Astra about 3 1/2 years ago. I was never particularly impressed with diesels over the years, but this one's pretty good. It really does depend on your journeys whether an oil burner is for you, but on long trips mine will return 55 - 60 to the gallon which makes a huge difference. Yes it's noisy at idle, and isn't as nice to drive as a petrol one but it does it's job perfectly well.

Odd to hear all these stories of sooty clouds of smoke, as mine has a particulate filter in the exhaust which means the tailpipe stays perfectly clean at all times, no soot at all around it.

If I had a local job, then i wouldn't ever consider a Diesel but for my type of motoring it's perfect.

It's still nice to jump in the the Derby and have a decent rev range (even without much power!)

Edited 1 June, 201016 yr by Vic

i had a mondeo diesel over christmas torque was good fuel was good but the rest of it just wasnt i hated the lack of acceleration that i can get in a petrol and the big cloud out of the exhaust everytime i floored it wasnt nice then there was the starting in the morning it started after about four or five attempts my polo starts in any weather first turn of the key and there are no fog clouds

I'm not a big diesel fan. They just aren't as fun to drive as a petrol. Yeah if I needed to do a butt load of mileage I'd probably go diesel for a daily. But to be honest for the amount of driving I do I'd rather have the fun side of a petrol. When its running properly it still delivers 40MPG and when you wanna give it a good spanking its more than game. Ideal for me. None of this gay TDI business.

When running properly it produces 32 mpg. Nothing more, nothing less.

And definately doesn't produce silly emissions.

Bought my diesel polo out of choice as it was the best car I could find at the time and doubt I'll get rid as its a cracking daily now its mapped (tax only £30 for a year :-D) meaning I've got some money spare to save up and steal Rich's ABF bottom on KR head with K-jet for the scirocco to have fun in :-D

Though I wouldn't mind a 2 ltr TDI mapped to around 200 bhp...

None of this gay TDI business.

Stop it!!!!

everyone i know who has a interest in cars or been into cars from an early age wont have anything but petrol, i hate in when people are like: 'oh yeah cant wait to get my tdi gonna be rapid' NO! get a petrol 2.0t and watch the gap gettbigger and bigger from the shitty tdi, although new diesles have got alot better

i had to drive my mums fiat bravo 1.9 diesal after writing off my corsa 1.4 16v, i was really expecting it to go, or go a bit quicker then the corsa, but no just a shit load of soot and hardley any noticable acceleration

everyone i know who has a interest in cars or been into cars from an early age wont have anything but petrol, i hate in when people are like: 'oh yeah cant wait to get my tdi gonna be rapid' NO! get a petrol 2.0t and watch the gap gettbigger and bigger from the shitty tdi, although new diesles have got alot better

you've totally missed the point of diesel's, td's are not comparable to petrol turbo's in any way. for the price that i pay in running cost's on my jetta (fuel, insurance, maintenance ect) and the initial price of the car i'd struggle to buy and run a 1.6 petrol carb'd jetta. the choice isn't between a td jetta or a jetta with a 20vt lump in it, in the real world it's between a td and a poverty spec carb'd car, and my jetta is a shit load quicker and more fun than the same car with a shitty 1.6 petrol engine in it.

it's a lot more tunable than the 1.6 petrol, i've got about 30 brake out of it and it only took a few pump adjustments and cost about 30 quid for some piping to make my exhaust. to get that out of the 1.6 petrol you'd be talking head work, cam's, bigger carb, uprated exhaust and more.

my mate's in the same boat, he's got a passat B5 tdi sport, with a few cheap mods and a tuning box on it and it fucking shifts for a big car. he didn't buy this over a a 20vt version, he bought this over a non turbo petrol version and there's no fucking way your gonna get a non turbo petrol version of that car moving like his does

tdi's are not meant to be a challenger for petrol turbo car's, they are supposed to be a different option to non turbo petrol's, and imo a much better option.

btw a lot of people i know that are into car's have switched to the dark side, my mate with the Passat is a petrol head and he didn't think twice about getting a tdi. another mate has just got a cupra FR (running 200 brake), he had a mitsi evo FQ before that and he prefers the cupra... probably because he can actually afford to put his foot down in it

Edited 2 June, 201016 yr by McLOVIN

Petrol is more fun, Diesel is more practical. My mums Diesel Fiesta is crap slow but it makes a better cruiser than my Polo.

I see this got a bit of banter going.

I think what I don't understand is people paying say £1500 more for the diesel option, when they only do 3000 miles a year...

Plus, there are people who are utterly loaded, but will only buy diesel. So maybe people prefer the way a diesel drives? All that low down torque? Apart from the fact I'm yet to find an average diesel that picks up as cleanly as a half decent petrol motor from very low revs. Say, going over a speed bump in 2nd at a crawl, lift your foot off the clutch while applying light throttle, I can do that in my Mk2 16v, but can't for the life of me pull it off without juddering or huge clutch slipping in my mates PD 130...

Or say you want to nip onto a busy roundabout, you nail it in first and suddenly hit 20-25 mph and the gap you thought was there is very close now. Average petrol, you get 35-40 in first...

I think it's simply the narrow power/torque band I'll never get used to.

yeah i think the narrow torque band gives the illusion of speed to some people, i know for a fact that when my mum went from the 2.4 v6 petrol a4 to the tdi one she was surprised at how it delivered the power saying that it felt very very fast

considering the petrol was 170bhp, i know the reason. its because she only ever puts her foot down very lightly, so the narrow torque band surprised her

if that makes sense?

it's just a different style of driving that you either get used to or you don't mate, just like some petrol car's drive totally different to others. your valver for example, if you drove that like your normal petrol car it seems like a massive let down, but when you drive it how it's meant to be driven (like you stole it) the KR really comes alive and becomes a totally different animal.

maybe people pay more for the TDI version of car's because they generally hold their money better than the petrol versions? or like you say they may just like the way they drive. also even if you are only doing small millage why shouldn't you take advantage of lower running cost's? just because you don't drive very far doesn't mean you want to waste money on higher running costs. doesn't the new road tax thing favour TD car's? or was i just dreaming that?

and most wealthy people are tight as fuck so it makes sense that they drive a diesel, you don't get wealthy by wasting money

I tried to keep up with my mate's 150-odd bhp Mk5 Golf TDI with my 150-odd bhp petrol-powered Camry once.... I got dicked, he still got about 50mpg, so I can kinda see the point.

Think Clarkson has it right though "owning a diesel car's like being ghey.... yeah, it's more acceptable these days, but it's still wrong".

I don't mind a diesel, so long as it's in it's rightful place, a van.

My mum's just sold her 1.4 Lupo, it was petrol -Spits-

But yeah, she's picking up a 1.4 TDi A2 this sunday!! Considering the miles she does, its definitely the best choice! like 70 mpg on a motorway run or something!

Alex

I use a Mk1 Golf diesel 5 speed to get to work and back on the whiff of an oily rag! Love it to bits. My mileage more than justifies it. Sometimes you just get sick of being bum-raped at the fuel station running a petrol car. And I can run it on veg oil at 50p a litre in the summer if I'm feeling really tight. Of course, I'm not up for racing anyone in it but I don't care, it's more of a classic cruiser. It keeps up with traffic and I take it to the fuel station so rarely I forget how to unlock the sodding fuel cap!

Each to their own. No point slagging them off.

Just thought i'd quote this from two years ago..

No love for them here,or their hushed link to the ever growing asthma in kids that was being thrown about several years ago. Maybe nothing in it,but no surprise when everytime i see one squatting under acceleration,its churning out a cloud of thick black soot - and that's the posh new ones.

I'm known on here as the No1 hater of diesels, i tear them to shreds in topics annoyingly, and the soot has been a concern for years.

Diesel is a poison, it gets into the bloodstream if ingested. Carbon from burnt food is believed to cause pancreatic cancer (toast, roast potatoes and bacon are tricky).

So a soot being expelled from a diesel engine exhaust, which literally painted the pavements of London black in the days of the routemaster buses, is blatantly gonna be harmful.

So i believe the news, because i believe i'm right, and have been for years.

and the moral of the story... dont live in London

Oh and Mikeys always right!