and the moral of the story... dont live in London

Oh and Mikeys always right!

I have driven nothing but petrols until my last year when I got a mondeo diesel.

I like my diesel. It goes well and I can afford to run it. Also the torque and turbo whistle makes me smile. Pretty much any normal petrol car I have driven is a gutless bag of shit in comparison.

Petrol cars drink fuel because you need to rag the living shit out of most of them to get anywhere. Petrol is best suited to lightweight cars.

Just thought i'd quote this from two years ago..

No love for them here,or their hushed link to the ever growing asthma in kids that was being thrown about several years ago. Maybe nothing in it,but no surprise when everytime i see one squatting under acceleration,its churning out a cloud of thick black soot - and that's the posh new ones.

I'm known on here as the No1 hater of diesels, i tear them to shreds in topics annoyingly, and the soot has been a concern for years.

Diesel is a poison, it gets into the bloodstream if ingested. Carbon from burnt food is believed to cause pancreatic cancer (toast, roast potatoes and bacon are tricky).

So a soot being expelled from a diesel engine exhaust, which literally painted the pavements of London black in the days of the routemaster buses, is blatantly gonna be harmful.

So i believe the news, because i believe i'm right, and have been for years.

And I guess sucking on the exhaust pipe of a petrol car is good for you?

People who want to die put a hose pipe from the exhaust into the car because they know how dangerous it is, its never been hushed up that breathing in any kind of exhaust fumes are bad for you. quite the opposite in fact, back in the early 90's when I was old enough to understand what was going on, but not quite at the age to not give a fuck, all they kept going on about was how bad for us and the environment shit like this was. They were still going on about global cooling and aerosols causing holes in the ozone layer (when was the last time you heard any thing about that?), but yeah I had shit like this rammed down my throat in school and on news round right up until the point I got bored and gave up on both.

While we're on the subject, here's a video of my old jetta doing its best to secure warmer climates for the uk

Edited 13 June, 201214 yr by Mclovin

For a daily I think diesel is spot on, I have a motorbike for going fast and a g40 as an ornament :)

It's the only thing that makes sense given the miles I do. The profit off that milage lets me play with more interestting petrol powerred things.

and the moral of the story... dont live in London

Oh and Mikeys always right!

This is actually true. I'm very wise, you see. I actually know like everything.

Some people think i say too much, but they don't realise that i limit myself so much. People couldn't actually handle all i know.

Guy, i've got 'smokers denial' on petrols. Like, whatever, they're not that bad, it'll happen in centuries yet - like human existence won't be enjoying life then anyway and it'll be someone elses fault. Or something.

But aerosols? They did something about that. The problem was CFC's and they got rid of them. So aerosols are now safe and the ozone is miraculously repairing itself..

and the moral of the story... dont live in London

Oh and Mikeys always right!

This is actually true. I'm very wise, you see. I actually know like everything.

Some people think i say too much, but they don't realise that i limit myself so much. People couldn't actually handle all i know.

Guy, i've got 'smokers denial' on petrols. Like, whatever, they're not that bad, it'll happen in centuries yet - like human existence won't be enjoying life then anyway and it'll be someone elses fault. Or something.

But aerosols? They did something about that. The problem was CFC's and they got rid of them. So aerosols are now safe and the ozone is miraculously repairing itself..

Wasn't it all because the Aussies kept whinging about that fuck off great hole that opened up over them in the ozone layer?

While we're on the subject, here's a video of my old jetta doing its best to secure warmer climates for the uk

I've seen tractors with less shit come out!

Sounds sexual though

BMW's latest 3 litre dizzle, 381bhp and 545lbft, triple turbo'd too.

M3 esq performance, with 45mpg in a 5 series.... respect.

CI on gasoline is the way forward.

I don't love my diesel, it smells, it's loud, but performance is good (if you know how to drive and use the gearbox you've paid for) and the economy I get (45mpg+) for the way I drive and the weight of the car is great, I can get 42mpg towing the Polo around, they have their place in modern transport.

Lots of myths being churned out in this thread. I doubt anyone's still reading, but...

Modern diesels aren't sooty. I drive them about 90% of the time, brand new stuff. I've followed my wife accelerating hard in a new diesel. I've been around tracks in diesels, following lead-footed journalists. Modern diesels aren't sooty. Mazda's new diesel engine can even be sold in Japan, where emissions regs mean almost nothing can be sold without expensive exhaust after treatment systems. Mazda's Skyactiv-D engine is clean enough without them.

But I agree they're a bandwagon that people now consider to be the default option.

Diesels don't make sense in anything smaller than a Golf/Focus. Additional price and lower average mileage dictates that. Golf sized cars that don't do many motorway trips are risking clogged diesel particulate filters, and the real-world difference in economy isn't enough to make it worthwhile. Hence lots of small turbo petrol engines appearing now. Efficient, powerful, lively engines that can be sold worldwide.

Motorway cruisers without diesel engines are just a no-go. They're taxed heavily, fuel costs a fortune and the depreciation as a result is staggering. Fine for used buyers, but crap if you're buying new. Plus the more miles you do, the more you'll even out the additional cost. At least until Euro 6 makes the engines even more expensive, and cocks up their efficiency at the same time. That'll really shake things up.

And they're not "green" cars either. Journalists who bash the Prius and advise people to buy a low-carbon diesel alternative are totally missing the point. Prius production is squeaky clean nowadays, and they drive on electricity they generate themselves. Diesels are getting cleaner, though, as emissions regs are forcing them that way. This is being recognised by governments, which are reducing the tax costs for diesels in line with petrols.

This isn't excusing the older ones though. There are still years of old dirty diesels knocking about to kill your children and turn the sky yellow. I'd hazard a guess there are plenty of thoroughly unpleasant fumes coming out of an old petrol engine, too.

Driver enjoyment is a matter of personal taste. A grotty eco-diesel is no fun, but I've had some utterly lousy petrol engines on test only to drive the same car with a diesel and much prefer it to drive. Please now tell me I'm not a proper enthusiast.

I've also tried some bloody good high performance diesel engines. The new BMW and Audi six-cylinder diesels are brilliant, fast, refined and with progressive power delivery that also happen to be staggeringly efficient. That mid-range punchiness also makes diesel hot hatches a giggle to punt around in. Odd to adjust to at first, especially for track use, but you get there. Weight up front can be an issue, though.

Actually, BMW even has its four-cylinder diesels licked. The 320d and 520d are good enough to make you not lament the loss of a couple of cylinders, genuinely good cars to drive and without that power spike you get with older oil burners. The 520d EfficientDynamics I had before Christmas put out 185bhp and returned 58mpg on a motorway run. It's £30 to tax, and it's all the car you'll ever need.

Even the not so efficient ones are decent. I drove a Jaguar XF out to Wolfsburg and on to Berlin at the beginning of May. Just the 190bhp 2.2 diesel. We did the unlimited sections of autobahn at 120-125mph (2,500rpm in 8th gear!), saw 135mph on some sections with more to go, had a boot full of my brother's DJ equipment, and still averaged over 40mpg for the 1,700-mile trip.

The future is efficient, powerful petrol engines and hybrids, though. Diesels are going to get more expensive to buy, and harder to justify. Develop a good petrol engine and you'll sell it worldwide. A good diesel will only ever sell in significant numbers in Europe.

Edited 13 June, 201214 yr by Alex

http://youtu.be/jqS9n91_ehs

Audi A6 3.0 Biturbo TDI - 309bhp, 485lb.ft

Sounds horrid, too.