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Coldforged

Just wondering about baffling my steel sump as I've got one spare, has anyone done this before or know of a kit or even designs?

I'm just playing with the idea really.

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Coldforged

Anyone, I'm sure there must be a motorsport whore out there who would know? or am i missing something very obvious?

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oli4952
Anyone, I'm sure there must be a motorsport whore out there who would know? or am i missing something very obvious?

first of all you have to ask yourself why you feel the need to baffle your sump !! what extremes are you gonna be inflicting on your sump/engine ? baffled sumps are more common in high performance rally cars etc etc where the oil that is in the sump needs to stay still in order for the oil pick up pipe to actually pick it up and lube the engine a normal road car shouldn't really need the use of a baffled sump unless of course you are running a high performance road/rally race sort of engine when i used to build mk 1 and 2 escorts for forest rallying and tarmac rallying sump baffling was always the last thing we thought about as long as the oil pump is working we would focus more on keeping the oil cool i.e rover v8 oil cooler big big rad etc etc like i said you need to ask yourself why you'd want to baffle the sump if it's a steel sump i'm pretty sure if your handy with a mig welder you could do it yourself an ally sump will be a lot different

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tobyk

To be honest mate it's not hard to get oil starvation on your average road car. Escorts and other RWD cars won't suffer from it as much as front drive cars though.

In answer to the OP, I'm not sure if there are any kits. I think 3F tuning on here was doing them until he stopped advertising on the site. There are a couple of decent threads over on clubgti about baffling sumps and the best ways of doing it. They're all into trap doors and the like.

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hayesey

I've not bothered on mine as I've never had any oil starvation issues so never saw any need to.

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MikeyMK

Well i have problems - hard right turns in anger result in a plume of blue smoke,but never at any other time. This has been the case for some time. The engine is a deep sump 1.6 and handling is above average for the model.

Now either I'm throwing oil up cylinder four under the piston,or i dont know what. Going for a baffle or two where the sump ramps for the exhaust is imminent,and any info,particularly on leak volume,will be most welcome.

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Coldforged

Why not really? Next year i plan on using my polo on the track and I'm trying to cover all the basis really.

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mikey_v-dub
Why not really? Next year i plan on using my polo on the track and I'm trying to cover all the basis really.

mines going on track on the 11th feb mate and theres no way I'm not baffling it due to my mate killing his xr2 due to oil starvation

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Coldforged

You got a designs or ideas???

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mark_crox

My car survived the long right hand corners at Mallory and Brands. Just make sure you fill up the oil to max.

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Andy
Well i have problems - hard right turns in anger result in a plume of blue smoke,but never at any other time. This has been the case for some time. The engine is a deep sump 1.6 and handling is above average for the model.

Now either I'm throwing oil up cylinder four under the piston,or i dont know what. Going for a baffle or two where the sump ramps for the exhaust is imminent,and any info,particularly on leak volume,will be most welcome.

Sounds like you want a windage tray.

I've got a pikey one stamped out of sheet ally, sure you could knock something functional up with a drill, hacksaw, tin snips and some ally sheet.

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mikey_v-dub
You got a designs or ideas???

not properly looked into it yet mate

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hayesey

i've got one of the same pikey windage trays as andy has. There's not much to it. Perhaps that is one reason I dont get oil surge problems but I never did either with my previous engine which didnt have a windage tray or a baffle in it.

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prankstar2003

Windage tray? Ellaborate

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Puncharado
Windage tray? Ellaborate

Not mine, saved these pics for ideas when it comes to making one myself.

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prankstar2003

I see. Thanks for that. What exactly is the point of them though?

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tobyk

Just designed to stop oil from splashing up to the crank. A lot of cars have them as standard, especially those total brutes like 1.9d caddys.

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Coldforged

Could one of these be fitted to a 3F? I dont want to go mental like some of the guys on gticlub lol.

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yeha

That windage tray is designed for the earlier engine which doesn't have the oil pump in the sump. I have some pictures of a proper one somewhere. Found them.

Two different trays and a cast sump pan.

windage_tray.jpg

windage_tray2.jpg

baffled%20sump.jpg

The sump pan is for the early engine.

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hayesey

The one puncharado posted is the same as me and andy have got so they do fit mk3s although I had to cut a couple of small bits off it to get it to fit, I just put that down to it being not very well made as oppose to being for an older engine but he could be right.

The ones yeha posted are a better design.

They will also have some effect as a rudimentary horizontal baffle too. But possibly not much effect, a descent horizontal baffle should be just above the max oil level in the sump with the engine running.

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Coldforged

Cheers yeha for uber good pics and info.

Hayesey what car did you get your windage tray off?

Where is the oil pick up on a 3f block? Is it in the centre of of the sump or offset to one side?

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Nick_S

Those bits in the pics posted by Punchardo used to be sold by a seller called Rauspeed on Ebay.de

I have one of those windage trays on mine, although it needed trimming to fit.

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Coldforged

Cheers Nick, will have alook for him.

Anyone got one of these windage trays not on there polo, so they could make a cardboard template money your way aswell.

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hayesey

Yeah I actually bought mine off yoof but it is the same as the rauspeed ones.

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Spade

There are many ways to baffle a sump. Asking it a hard maths question might do the trick.

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