Hey guys.

I have a car I'll selling (trying to sell), and I'm going to have to SORN it before the 20th to avoid a fine under the latest government bullshit legislation.

What I want to know is, if I SORN the car, do I HAVE to cash in the TAX?

The tax is paid till end of July, so I'd only be getting one month of tax back.

Can I SORN it, and keep the tax so the buyer doesn't have to TAX the car when they buy it?

if you cash you tax in that will auto sorn it ,thats what i got told when i broke my bready

but i dont see why keeping it would be a problem

it will need to be sorn though

stupid new laws suck

Turns out the ONLY way to un-SORN a vehicle is to TAX it.

So there's no point in me keeping the road fund licence.

Stupid new law does suck :(

if you SORN it then the existing tax is cancelled so you might as well cash it in, you can't drive the car on a public road again till it is re-taxed and taken off SORN.

This new insurance law is a major pain in the arse for selling cars. It seems to assume that everyone just trades in their old cars when they buy a new one

if you SORN it then the existing tax is cancelled so you might as well cash it in, you can't drive the car on a public road again till it is re-taxed and taken off SORN.

This new insurance law is a major pain in the arse for selling cars. It seems to assume that everyone just trades in their old cars when they buy a new one

I've just sent an email to The Motor Insurers' Bureau, British Insurance Brokers’ Association, DVLA and BBC news about this :) I'm not sure I'll get a response though .. :)

I guess their stance will be "you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelette".

I guess their stance will be "you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelette".

Yeah..

I've asked 3 specific questions

1 - How do I test drive a car on the road that, under new rules, has been SORNed due to the seller cancelling his insurance?

2 - How do I temporally bring a SORNed car that I own back into use, bearing in mind that Short Term Insurance can not be used for TAXing a car?

3 - How do I sell a second hand car (and allow test drives) that has to be SORN'ed due to me transferring the insurance to the new vehicle?

I agree with everything that you guys have said, this is complete bullshit. I imagine mark for 1 and 3 they would argue that the seller should keep it insured until it's sold, but who the hell is going to do that if they've just bought a new car and insured it.

It's a pain in the arse especially when insurance companies are so inflexible for anyone under 25.

Varnish, you mentioned a specific date there, have you been sent a warning letter by the DVLA or something? I've got a car with tax but no insurance at the moment so seeing this scheme come into action finally is now a worry lol

The law came into force on June 20th. So I SORN'd on the 19th to be safe.

Ignorance is no excuse, they will fine you even if you don't know about the law.

The government needs a new way to make the motorists of the UK suffer.

40% increase in insurance cost, 30% increase in fuel costs, bi annual increase in road tax and 2.5% increase in VAT not being enough.

They might as well bring back the fucking window tax.

Do we get written warnings from the DVLA before they send us a fine?

Under the new system:

- Motorists will receive a letter telling them that their vehicle appears to be uninsured and warning them that they will be fined unless they take action.

- If the keeper fails to insure the vehicle they will be given a £100 fine.

- If the vehicle remains uninsured - regardless of whether the fine is paid – further action will be taken. If the vehicle is on public land it could then be clamped, seized and destroyed. Alternatively court action could be taken, with the offender facing a fine of up to £1,000.

- Seized vehicles would only be released when the keeper provided evidence that the registered keeper is no longer committing an offence of having no insurance and the person proposing to drive the vehicle away is insured to do so.

- Vehicles with a valid Statutory Off Road Notice (SORN) will not be required to be insured.

- The new law will run alongside the existing offence of using a vehicle with no insurance, which is enforced by the police. The police seize 180,000 vehicles each year for this offence, and offenders also face a £200 fixed penalty or a court fine of up to £5,000 and possible disqualification.

- The DVLA’s records will be compared regularly with the Motor Insurance Database (MID) and this process will identify registered keepers of vehicles that appear to have no insurance. All drivers can check their vehicle is recorded on the MID for free - visit www.askMID.com.

Thats funny,

askMID says my car is insured, but it hasn't been insured since the end of march.

Unless someone else has insured it, which I think is unlikely.