Anyway I'm off for a swift Litre down the Pub

a litre is just under 2 pints (1 pint is 568ml)......

as you were...

well maybe he's having 2 pints

its crap.

the guy obviously has no friends and is desperate for attention

its crap.

the guy obviously has no friends and is desperate for attention

needs to get laid and stop worrying about bullshit

My dad had his model A MOT'd a few weeks ago and the tester said it was the last time that would need MOT-ing, and as of November anything older than 30 years wouldn't need a test..I didn't believe it either, far too good to be true, but if testers are being told that then who knows?

But if that also only applies to non-modified standard cars then I don't think the model A would count, pretty sure the massive blowers infront of the windscreen aren't standard

My dad had his model A MOT'd a few weeks ago and the tester said it was the last time that would need MOT-ing, and as of November anything older than 30 years wouldn't need a test..I didn't believe it either, far too good to be true, but if testers are being told that then who knows?

But if that also only applies to non-modified standard cars then I don't think the model A would count, pretty sure the massive blowers infront of the windscreen aren't standard

as far as I've heard on this its that 30 year old cars will be test exempt as they are expected to have good owners who look after them but they can be called for an inspection if a copper reports them as unworthy for road use. not heard anything about modded cars over 30 years though

My mk2 is 27 hahah nearly there!

My dad had his model A MOT'd a few weeks ago and the tester said it was the last time that would need MOT-ing, and as of November anything older than 30 years wouldn't need a test..I didn't believe it either, far too good to be true, but if testers are being told that then who knows?

But if that also only applies to non-modified standard cars then I don't think the model A would count, pretty sure the massive blowers infront of the windscreen aren't standard

as far as I've heard on this its that 30 year old cars will be test exempt as they are expected to have good owners who look after them but they can be called for an inspection if a copper reports them as unworthy for road use. not heard anything about modded cars over 30 years though

And this is the problem , if its modified its no longer classed as a "Historic Vehicle" and if its heavily modified is likely to be subject to a BIVA test .

My dad had his model A MOT'd a few weeks ago and the tester said it was the last time that would need MOT-ing, and as of November anything older than 30 years wouldn't need a test..I didn't believe it either, far too good to be true, but if testers are being told that then who knows?

But if that also only applies to non-modified standard cars then I don't think the model A would count, pretty sure the massive blowers infront of the windscreen aren't standard

as far as I've heard on this its that 30 year old cars will be test exempt as they are expected to have good owners who look after them but they can be called for an inspection if a copper reports them as unworthy for road use. not heard anything about modded cars over 30 years though

And this is the problem , if its modified its no longer classed as a "Historic Vehicle" and if its heavily modified is likely to be subject to a BIVA test .

I guess it depends on discression, like I'm sure theres ALOT of 30+ year old cars not on its OEM wheels and suspension, different interiors, wings, lights etc, Guess its just how heavily modded it is.

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Edited 22 August, 201214 yr by dadude01

Precisely , to be honest i cant see how the hell they are going to regulate or enforce this and will most probably apply to new cars , however ACE seem to be up in arms with the way this is being pushed through without consultation .

It will be up to member countries of the E.U. how they will implement the regulation , but the possibility is there .

Its not cars that are 30 years old, its pre 1960 cars.. Its not a requirement for them to be MOT'd but they still can be if the owner wants things checked out etc...

Its not cars that are 30 years old, its pre 1960 cars.. Its not a requirement for them to be MOT'd but they still can be if the owner wants things checked out etc...

Correct

That anti modified thing has been floating about in the toilet for 10 or so years, it just pops up every now and then, before being flushed back down.

Bloody floaters! ^^^

How the hell am I supposed to find a 23 year old BMW radio.. Or whatever radio they used back then?

it would be a gazette player. Can you still buy casette tapes?

Anyway I'm off for a swift Litre down the Pub

a litre is just under 2 pints (1 pint is 568ml)......

as you were...

I got a few litre cans of 10% lager from Poland. Effin huge!

Edited 22 August, 201214 yr by R0yaL3

I just read that as the EU trying to legislate that we have to have an MOT...

Though the PDF is missing the Annex that actually mandates what's supposed to be tested - which is the critical bit! Our MOT (generally, and with some exceptions!) already requires that your car has emissions and braking performance comparable to manufacturer-supplied homologation data anyway which seems fair enough. If it starts saying that it has to have the same engine as standard etc. then that starts to take the piss a bit.

I also can't seem them retrospectively applying legislation to existing vehicles, as it'd render thousands of cars 'illegal' overnight. I think the rules we have in the UK are already reasonably appropriate - if you're heavily modifying your car or building one from scratch then it has to be IVA'd, but otherwise it just has to pass the MOT - which I see as a bare minimum of safety requirements to prove that you're being respectful to other road users by not driving a death trap.

So the government is going to outlaw a 2.5 billion pound industry overnight???

Commercial vehicles aren't included in this, if you read the original European document. It would be impossible for the commercial vehicle sector to operate without bespoke vehicles, so that can't and won't happen.

Conventional passenger cars is what this is talking about. And it's someone reading a piece of legislation without actually reading it properly, then getting scared, and writing a blog post, scaring other people who then spread it around forums like wildfire. I bet it's doing ACE's website hits a whole lot of good.

What people are assuming is a blanket ban on modifying, but without actually thinking about it.

Modified cars, people think of the usual young lads in bazzed up Saxos. But it's not that simple.

Road rallies use road legal cars. So does the WRC, for example. If this came into law then it would shaft the WRC completely because they wouldn't be able to drive the cars in Europe.

Off-roaders. Loads of custom off-road vehicles around, again they'd be scrap afterwards.

And what about the hundreds of thousands of Motability cars that have all been modified for personal use, they'll be different to the spec they were when they were type approved.

It's rubbish, someone's blowing this way out of proportion. If you really think it's going to happen, then flog your car quickly before it's worth nothing more than its weight at the scrap metal yard. Not going to? Exactly.

If you read the original document, what it says is that vehicles should have roadworthiness tests which ensure they meet the safety and emissions criteria set out when they were first type approved. If there are any changes en route then I'd put bets on it being a more stringent test for heavily customised stuff where the shell has been body dropped, roof chopped or shortened in some way. These cars should really be properly tested anyway.

For the basic modified cars, which have a few engine mods, different wheels and uprated suspension I really can't see this being a problem. It doesn't say anywhere in the document that they have to be standard, just that they have to meet the criteria of a new car at the time. Basically, as long as you don't take the piss, you'll be fine. At worst it'll mean a tightening up of things like ride height and wheel width but jobsworthy testers are already getting the hump about that sort of stuff.

I'm not losing any sleep about this anyway. It sounds like Chinese Whispers, and at worst it'll mean I have to put my car through an IVA test. Fuck it, I'm keeping the car, so I don't care. And if the worst really comes to the worst and it ends up non road legal I'll get my towing license and buy a trailer, strip it bare, cage it and use it as a track car.

But I really doubt it'll come to that.

Pleased to see most replies on here are sensible enough not to go mental about this. Most forums have been on about totalitarianism and Nazi-like MOT testers. The word "armageddon" seems to have generated a frenzy, largely among people who haven't actually taken two minutes to read the original document.

Well for all our sakes i hope your right, but have a look anyway, because if this does happen, we can say goodbye to being different :(

Yeah here's to lowered cars with wide wheels and mcdonalds happy meal toys hanging from the towing hook..oh so different

Commercial vehicles aren't included in this, if you read the original European document. It would be impossible for the commercial vehicle sector to operate without bespoke vehicles, so that can't and won't happen.

Conventional passenger cars is what this is talking about. And it's someone reading a piece of legislation without actually reading it properly, then getting scared, and writing a blog post, scaring other people who then spread it around forums like wildfire. I bet it's doing ACE's website hits a whole lot of good.

What people are assuming is a blanket ban on modifying, but without actually thinking about it.

Modified cars, people think of the usual young lads in bazzed up Saxos. But it's not that simple.

Road rallies use road legal cars. So does the WRC, for example. If this came into law then it would shaft the WRC completely because they wouldn't be able to drive the cars in Europe.

Off-roaders. Loads of custom off-road vehicles around, again they'd be scrap afterwards.

And what about the hundreds of thousands of Motability cars that have all been modified for personal use, they'll be different to the spec they were when they were type approved.

It's rubbish, someone's blowing this way out of proportion. If you really think it's going to happen, then flog your car quickly before it's worth nothing more than its weight at the scrap metal yard. Not going to? Exactly.

If you read the original document, what it says is that vehicles should have roadworthiness tests which ensure they meet the safety and emissions criteria set out when they were first type approved. If there are any changes en route then I'd put bets on it being a more stringent test for heavily customised stuff where the shell has been body dropped, roof chopped or shortened in some way. These cars should really be properly tested anyway.

For the basic modified cars, which have a few engine mods, different wheels and uprated suspension I really can't see this being a problem. It doesn't say anywhere in the document that they have to be standard, just that they have to meet the criteria of a new car at the time. Basically, as long as you don't take the piss, you'll be fine. At worst it'll mean a tightening up of things like ride height and wheel width but jobsworthy testers are already getting the hump about that sort of stuff.

I'm not losing any sleep about this anyway. It sounds like Chinese Whispers, and at worst it'll mean I have to put my car through an IVA test. Fuck it, I'm keeping the car, so I don't care. And if the worst really comes to the worst and it ends up non road legal I'll get my towing license and buy a trailer, strip it bare, cage it and use it as a track car.

But I really doubt it'll come to that.

Pleased to see most replies on here are sensible enough not to go mental about this. Most forums have been on about totalitarianism and Nazi-like MOT testers. The word "armageddon" seems to have generated a frenzy, largely among people who haven't actually taken two minutes to read the original document.

Exactly what needs to be said :)

This "law" is a load of bullcock :)

When I first heard of this I was one of the ones that panicked, it was a post by Alex along the lines of the above that made me realise just how unrealistic it would actually be for this to be implemented. Once you actually sit back and think about it, what ACE is trying to imply will happen doesn't make a lot of sense

But when does anything that site or the government do make any sense? Lol.

But yeh, I'll panic when it happens, which will be never :)

It might not happen fully, but i could see them introducing some stupid stuff like no non-standard engines etc

It might not happen fully, but i could see them introducing some stupid stuff like no non-standard engines etc

i have a feeling decorative things will stay, wheels, vinyl, paint, interior etc, but anything that increases performance/daily running will be a no no :/

I doubt any of the above. As long as it would meet the type approval at the time, you should be a-ok.

I doubt any of the above. As long as it would meet the type approval at the time, you should be a-ok.

for example

Type approval- "daytime running light must be available on all new cars from 2012"

ACE translation- "daytime running lights must be fitted to all vehicles, it is the end of the world as we know it, everyone will driving illegal cars."

the government can't make swathes of cars illegal overnight.

London low emission zone :p