On friday/Saturday I'm picking a MK2 Bready up from Wales, Bearing in mind I'm from North Lincs, It has tax and test but won't drive, The reason I'm posting is..

Does it have to be insured if we are Dollying it with a VW T5, So all 4 wheels are on the ground but noone is inside it, We have a trailor backend to put across the rear end of the car,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-CAR-RECOVERY...c#ht_3402wt_932

Any opinions would help.

As far as I always understood it, if any wheels are on the ground then it needs to be insured.

Can you not just get temp cover on it?

Well, if no one is driving it then maybe it is classed as a trailer of some sort?

I heard that an a frame is allowed. I thought that if atleast 2 wheels are off of the ground its allowed.

Right, Well one day cover is like £25 on the car and its a only a 1ltr, Not sure what to do?

Wait for the right car more local to you, I'm sure one will pop up! 500 miles travel all round trip is £60 diesel if you go in a recovery truck and it's probably not worth it. There's a site on here where you post car model, pick up and drop off points and people quote you prices. If you look on there you might be lucky enough to find someone who's doing a similar trip and has a spare trailer who might do it cheaper but personally I'd wait for a car more local to pop up! :)

I googled it and the consensus on the internet is 'no' you must have it insured. If you could put some trade plates on it it'd be ok though I think?

I believe a car has to be taxed, insured and MOT'd unless all 4 wheels are off the ground. As far as I am aware trade plates will only cover you for tax and not insurance.

Could you rent a proper car trailer, a company local to me rents them for £40 a day.

Edited 12 September, 201214 yr by Torrevez

Sorted it, Getting a trailor, Going to have to spend out my way but worth it, I'll get pics when i've got it ;0

If the vehicle weighs over 750kgs it needs to be braked when towing.

Strip the polo out .. wont weigh that much then l;) lool

It doesn't need to have all 4 wheels off the road it only has to be a minimum of 2 wheels which should be the front two Off the road as these are steering

A-framing a car had to have insurance, tax and mot and the poilce hate them.

dollying a car does not have to have insurance,tax or mot I've done research with the local police force.

another note is the weight of you car/van and dolly&car cant weigh over 3500kg if you past your test after 1997

Edited 17 September, 201213 yr by CHRIS2911

another note is the weight of you car/van and dolly&car cant weigh over 3500kg if you past your test after 1997

also the M.A.M of the trailer (or dolly in this case) cannot exceed the kerb (empty) weight of the towing vehicle and the combination cannot weigh more than 3500kg or the max train weight of the towing vehicle, whichever is less.

vechicles over 3500kg can only tow a trailer of a M.A.M of 750kg

eg:

my 407 has a kerb weight of 1660kg and a max train weight of 3680kg

which allows me to tow a trailer of 1660kg and allows me 180Kg for passengers and or cargo in the car.

this only applies to post 97 cat B licence holders who have not gained a +E entitlement in any other category.

My mates just bottled on me, Apparently he said if we Rented a trailor and used his T5 van, With the car and we get pulled he will get a few points?

He said:

If I'm driving and pulling a trailor wihich weighs over 750KG i get 2 points, The van and trailor seized. He said his mate got stopped pulling a caravan and was fined £200 and 6 points?! He's 18.

A-framing a car had to have insurance, tax and mot and the poilce hate them.

dollying a car does not have to have insurance,tax or mot I've done research with the local police force.

another note is the weight of you car/van and dolly&car cant weigh over 3500kg if you past your test after 1997

VOSA on the other hand disagree and class a trailed dolly and car as a tandem tow, so only legal for recovery, not transportation.

My mates just bottled on me, Apparently he said if we Rented a trailor and used his T5 van, With the car and we get pulled he will get a few points?

He said:

If I'm driving and pulling a trailor wihich weighs over 750KG i get 2 points, The van and trailor seized. He said his mate got stopped pulling a caravan and was fined £200 and 6 points?! He's 18.

Technically speaking. He's right, he'd need a B+E licence.

I googled it and the consensus on the internet is 'no' you must have it insured. If you could put some trade plates on it it'd be ok though I think?

Trade plates are a means of identifying who's moving the vehicle, and road tax, not insurance. Though to get the trade plates, you need to be able to prove appropriate insurance for your trade use.

Get caught misusing the plates and whoever owns them gets the shafting.

So what requirements do i need to tow a trailor with the breadvan on?

have you got any transporter quotes?

try http://www.shiply.com

My mates just bottled on me, Apparently he said if we Rented a trailor and used his T5 van, With the car and we get pulled he will get a few points?

He said:

If I'm driving and pulling a trailor wihich weighs over 750KG i get 2 points, The van and trailor seized. He said his mate got stopped pulling a caravan and was fined £200 and 6 points?! He's 18.

Probably so (depends when he passed his test), rental trailers are usually 2750kg MAM + a T5 is ~1800kg so puts you well over your allowance of 3.5t train weight on a cat B licence.

My Audi is 1450kg, my trailer is plated to tow 1000kg and has a weight of 300kg, so my total is 2750kg, well within the 3500kg limit, and plenty of room for my fat arse, tools etc in too.

If it's a one off collection, I'd pay a company to collect on your behalf.

If you took your test after 1997, a catagory B entitlement only goes up to a 750kg trailer.

A pre-97 catagory B entitlement, or a B+E actually allows you up to 3.5 tonne towing up to 3.5 tonne (subject to a tachograph if you're getting paid and the combined MAM is over 3.5tonne.

So what requirements do i need to tow a trailor with the breadvan on?

A car licence from 1997 or before, or a B+E, C1+E or C+E entitlement.

Legal trailer (brakes, lights, breakaway cable, etc).

A vehicle with a train weight that'll cover what you're towing.

I'm fucked then, Shiply quoted me 270. My just go down and strip what i need? Leave the shell.

Either find someone older to drive his or hire a transporter truck, there's a few places do them?

http://www.transporterhire.co.uk/

http://www.car-delivery-service.co.uk/page/hire_rates

If you took your test after 1997, a catagory B entitlement only goes up to a 750kg trailer.

A pre-97 catagory B entitlement, or a B+E actually allows you up to 3.5 tonne towing up to 3.5 tonne (subject to a tachograph if you're getting paid and the combined MAM is over 3.5tonne.

So what requirements do i need to tow a trailor with the breadvan on?

A car licence from 1997 or before, or a B+E, C1+E or C+E entitlement.

Legal trailer (brakes, lights, breakaway cable, etc).

A vehicle with a train weight that'll cover what you're towing.

No it doesn't. This is a very common misunderstanding of the rules:

"Category B: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM and with up to eight passenger seats

Category B vehicles may be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM.

For example:

a vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.25 tonnes could be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement. This is because the MAM of the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes and also the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle"

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Drive...les/DG_10013073

For people who passe pre-1997, this applies:

Category B+E allows vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM to be combined with trailers in excess of 750kgs MAM. In order to gain this entitlement new category B licence holders have to pass a further practical test for category B+E. There is no category B+E theory test. For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E.

Ring the AA?

For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E.

Is'nt there some restrictions on towing speeds? depending on the weight of the item being towed in relation to the weight of the tow vehicle if it's less than 75% then you can tow @ 50MPH greater than 75% then your limited to 30MPH and if the trailer is unbraked there are also speed restrictions??