Alright fellas, I think it's about time to upgrade, had the mk4 polo for 6 years now

Requirements:

Moderately quick, sub 10s 0-60

40+ mpg preferable

Reasonable insurance

06 plate onwards

Been looking at the following:

Peugeot 207 GTI THP 175

Seat Leon FR 150 (mk1)

BMW 118d ES

Golf GT (mk5)

Any further suggestions?

Feedback appreciated, thanks.

Bmw 330D. But its 2 years older then u request.

Skoda vrs?

My 1.8T audi manages 40mpg on motorway and around 36-38 around town it was last dynoed at 230bhp

Mazda 6 diesel.

Bmw 330D. But its 2 years older then u request.

Skoda vrs?

My 1.8T audi manages 40mpg on motorway and around 36-38 around town it was last dynoed at 230bhp

I do like e 330d, can't really seem to find a nice one with decent mileage for my price bracket though. I wouldn't mind a 1.8 T a3, but again it's finding a nice one without the mileage problem. Yeti, never really fancied the Mazda range tbh, I like the RX8 but the running costs are crazy!

I personally can vouch for high mileage cars i got mine at 80k on the clock its a 1999 1.8t agu its now on 146k and absolutely solid. My friend has one with 274k so dont b put off by mileage on them german motors! Aslong as the cambelts changed and its serviced its fine. But obviously you want a newer audi. As for the bmw 330d a nice spec occasionally crops up!

Plenty of 1.8T Polo GTI's about within your price range. Just sold mine for £6.2k 44k miles on a 57 plate. Averages about 35mpg round town and done 46mpg on a run once as well!

Mazda 6 diesel.

don't they use the psa 2.0 hdi engine?

Yeti, never really fancied the Mazda range tbh, I like the RX8 but the running costs are crazy!

Don't knock em til you've tried em. Out of the cars we deal with a lot at work, most of our drivers say it's their favourite.

1.8T passat

Mazda 6 diesel.

don't they use the psa 2.0 hdi engine?

Nope, the 2.0d's a very nice mazda-specific engine. The 1.4 and 1.6 are the psa units.

Peugeot 207 GTI THP 175

Seat Leon FR 150 (mk1)

BMW 118d ES

Golf GT (mk5)

207 is a weaksauce GTI, even with that power. Floppy to drive and butt ugly, too.

BMW 118d is decent if a bit reppy - bigger diesels are more fun

Golf GT - 1.4 twin-charged version or the diesel? The 2.0 TDIs get chronic dual-mass flywheel and EGR valve problems, and I've heard the TSIs get head problems with age. Check thoroughly before buying.

SEAT Leon FR 150 - 1.9 TDI or 1.8T?

Mazda 6 diesel.

don't they use the psa 2.0 hdi engine?

Nope, the 2.0d's a very nice mazda-specific engine. The 1.4 and 1.6 are the psa units.

They're PSA-Ford engines, nothing wrong with them either, they're really widely used and good solid, high mileage wearers which will outlast the modern VAG diesels. The Mazda diesels are good too, though. And the 6 is a surprisingly good car to drive, but you'll want a later one to avoid the overly plasticky interior.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/adv...age/1?logcode=p

Mercs ain't what they used to be. They rust like 6n's and the electrics fuck up.

http://www.classic-audi.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=24568

There you go, under 10secs to 60 and right in budget! :)

If only you didn't want 06 onwards. Id say Civic ek9.

207 is a weaksauce GTI, even with that power. Floppy to drive and butt ugly, too.

Surprised with that, didn't know the driving experience was that poor in these cars, I've driven a Mini Cooper S which has the same engine which was fun, this completely different then? And I don't think its too ugly....except for the gaping mouth at the front which does put me off slightly.

Golf GT - 1.4 twin-charged version or the diesel? The 2.0 TDIs get chronic dual-mass flywheel and EGR valve problems, and I've heard the TSIs get head problems with age. Check thoroughly before buying.

I was looking at the 2.0 TDI. Like this one:

SEAT Leon FR 150 - 1.9 TDI or 1.8T?

1.9 TDI

http://www.classic-audi.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=24568

There you go, under 10secs to 60 and right in budget! smile.gif

Haha nice! Think insurance would be quite expensive though!

Mazda 6 diesel.

don't they use the psa 2.0 hdi engine?

Nope, the 2.0d's a very nice mazda-specific engine. The 1.4 and 1.6 are the psa units.

They're PSA-Ford engines, nothing wrong with them either, they're really widely used and good solid, high mileage wearers which will outlast the modern VAG diesels. The Mazda diesels are good too, though. And the 6 is a surprisingly good car to drive, but you'll want a later one to avoid the overly plasticky interior.

I always thought the Mazda6 diesels are their own relative of the Ford Puma engine family, not the PSA DW10/DW12 2.0 and 2.2 diesels - the Puma engines run Delphi diesel engine management and fuel systems the same as the Mazda. The PSA stuff is Siemens/Continental for DW10 and Bosch EDC17 for DW12 and slightly different capacity.

Anyway, the Mazda6 diesels are best avoided - go on the Mazda forums to see how many of the diesels shit themselves, or look on eBay for 'spares repair'. Seem to be a few failure modes that lead to sump sludging and/or diesel in the oil which ultimately means spun bearings and dead engines. One of the reasons we bought a petrol Mazda for the wife.

Yeti, never really fancied the Mazda range tbh, I like the RX8 but the running costs are crazy!

Don't knock em til you've tried em. Out of the cars we deal with a lot at work, most of our drivers say it's their favourite.

I guess at work you don't have to pay for the fuel and oil you put in 'em though?!

As an ownership proposition it's not somewhere I'd want to go. Out of 4 people I know who own(ed) them, 2 of them traded theirs in sharpish due to rotor tip wear issues and another sold his after new coil packs all round didn't fix the slight missfire - classic pre-cursor to rotor tip wear.

The guy who's still got his loves it though - he's a Powertrain engineer, so bought a good one and has kept on top of its foibles. And they must have something going for them as my friend who took a massive hit on trading his knackered one in ended up buying another one, fairly quick once you get them wound up and handle nicely.

Was talking about the 6 not the rx

207 is a weaksauce GTI, even with that power. Floppy to drive and butt ugly, too.

Surprised with that, didn't know the driving experience was that poor in these cars, I've driven a Mini Cooper S which has the same engine which was fun, this completely different then? And I don't think its too ugly....except for the gaping mouth at the front which does put me off slightly.

Golf GT - 1.4 twin-charged version or the diesel? The 2.0 TDIs get chronic dual-mass flywheel and EGR valve problems, and I've heard the TSIs get head problems with age. Check thoroughly before buying.

I was looking at the 2.0 TDI. Like this one:

We had a 207, it was over 50% heavier than our old 6n valver and it felt it! Not fun to drive at all - but then, it was a diesel..

This is my cousin's old Golf GT..

anything on here http://www.dacia.co.uk/

I think I've decided on what I want, contrary to my original post, thinking of a Golf MK5 GTI. I don't do many miles p/a, insurance is OK when I've shopped around, MPG around 35 which is fine, just need to find a nice example.

Ideally would want one with <80K miles, leather, 3 door.

How much should I expect to pay for this kind of spec?

Thanks

207 is a weaksauce GTI, even with that power. Floppy to drive and butt ugly, too.

Surprised with that, didn't know the driving experience was that poor in these cars, I've driven a Mini Cooper S which has the same engine which was fun, this completely different then? And I don't think its too ugly....except for the gaping mouth at the front which does put me off slightly.

To a Mini? It's worlds apart. The 207 drives better than the 206, not that this is much of a difficulty, but aside from the basic engine it's all Peugeot-only bits in the 207. Bloated and dull. You can tune them up to be fairly swift but it's just not a driver's car.

I was looking at the 2.0 TDI. Like this one:

Dual mass flywheels. Ticking time bomb. Expensive one, too. Good fun, but plagued by reliability problems. Google it.

SEAT Leon FR 150 - 1.9 TDI or 1.8T?

1.9 TDI

Decent car. A bit dated and rumbly, quite plasticky, but it's alright. Best one here!

I'm going to echo Andy's sentiments on the RX-8. Sweet handling car, feels great when you're revving the tits off it, but when you get there it's burning petrol like it's going out of fashion. One of my high school mates had one when he qualified as a doctor, sold it due to rotor tip wear and heavy oil/fuel use. Bought a TT. A friend of a friend sold his on after he got starting problems, again related to rotor wear I believe? Bought himself a V6 TT.

I'm not advocating buying a TT, I think the RX-8 is probably a more focused driver's car, but I think the idea of owning the Mazda is more appealing than the actual experience. They're not even that fast when they're wound up, I don't think, and I like cars you have to rev.

If you're after something REALLY good, why not buy a RenaultSport Clio 197? I think, personally, it's the single best hot hatch money can buy. Your budget should stretch to a good 197, and regardless of what it says on paper the near identical 200 was one of the most addictive cars I've ever spent time with. Slightly nasty interior, but you won't notice. Keep the revs down and you'll get half decent fuel economy too - mid 30s if I remember.

I really ought to check for new posts before replying. Hey ho.

The mk5 gti ain't a bad car. They're a bit germanicly uninspiring inside, but I wouldn't say that's enough of a reason not to buy one.

Don't get the dsg though, yeah, it's good at drag racing, but that really is the limit of it's talents.

Have a look at comparable a3's. They can be cheaper than the golf.