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stormintrooper

iv had 3 speakers fail in 2 weeks, is there any possible reason this is happening?

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madmike87

What speakers? What amp, how meny?

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stormintrooper

both of the original speakers at the back failed from my mk2 bready, they were old and tired looking and somewhat deteriorated.

so i then bought these Pyle

heard good things about them from people on here, installed them less than a week ago and one failed today, no amp, running straight from a normal headunit

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madmike87

I see, what headunit are you using, and what settings on the eq like bass/mid/treble ?

I'm not surprised they died tbh no way that will handle 120w rms

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stormintrooper

Headunit

not really a powerfull stereo from my understanding

where have i gone wrong here then?

bass -2 treble +2 mid 0

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madmike87

thats beleaved to be 20w rms to each speaker that wouldnt of over powered it, settings would be ok i would of gone -6 on the bass

think its just the speakers better brand is needed alot more reliable and alot better sound

my old headunit running my doors on -10db on the bass still kicked out too much, so maybe yours is doing that and if your volume is over a certain level it destorts and that may of damaged the speaker

every headunit destorts mine was 60 on my alpine from 0-62

but just change the speakers for a better brand sorted and them amp them

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g40jon

my theory is that you are turning the volume up too high and sending a clipped signal to the speaker. clipped signals will kill speakers very quickly

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stormintrooper

i may be guilty of playing metallica full whack all the time mwahahaha

so to keep the volume I'm seeking i definetely need an amp?

to avoid this clipping?

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philpheasant

Daft as it sounds, new speakers should be "run in" they shouldn't be used anywhere near full volume until they've been used for a few hours at lower volumes ;)

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madmike87

Can still clip the amp even more so if it's not scoped gain set correctly, but the headunit you shouldn't turn it up past the clip point depending on the headunit I'd say 90%

New speakers run in, it's only subs that need to be doing that to free them foam and spiders to stop damage from excursion and mid/speakers shouldn't be running much bass anyway

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stormintrooper

so in plain english? lol

what do i need to do?

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adam-

You need to spend more than £20 on a set of speakers from a brand no-ones heard of.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but you only get what you pay for.

Playing hard music (with hard bass notes) will kill speakers very quickly, cheap ones epesh.

If you want loud, you've gotta pay. You want to avoid running bass through small speakers - leave that for a sub..

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stormintrooper

i suspected as much, however iv noticed 4x6's arent easy to come by,

can anybody recommend some more suited to my needs?

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madmike87

run the front and rear off an amp with the alpines there cheap but will be alot more reliable, but you still need to remove the bass from them but the amp can do that will sound alot better without any worry of any damage

if the amps set correctly mind

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stormintrooper

as admitted I'm completely clueless with car audio but those alpines have a lower rms than the pyle?

wouldnt i be over powering them with an amp?

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madmike87

some are genuine rms but some are dreaming like the pyle, theloudest.com speakers and many other brands, they will take more if its cleap signal the alpines that is

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adam-

I've got 100w RMS Diamonds in the front of mine, and they're so loud I can barely have it full chat for any length of time.

You get what you pay for. :)

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stormintrooper

how much did they set you back? i need some decent volume as I'm loosing my hearing so volume is key :-p

just those pesky 4x6's

is there a decent one anyone can reccommend that will take the punishment?

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madmike87

All depends on budget if i was you buy a set of components vibe,jbl,alpine,inphase,ground zero,herts, many more then run them off a small 2ch amp so no rear speakers as there behind your ears anyway, then a small sub for the low frequency as I said before your welcome to pop over and have a chat on what and how to make it sound good

I never have rear speakers in any of my cars just decent components up front so speaker and seperate tweeter

so right next to your ears therefor louder

Then a sub, so only mid and high frequencies on the front speaker to minimise chance of damage

2-way components from £30+ second hand or £50+ new

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stormintrooper

sounds good, I'm still determined to have front and rear though :-p

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stormintrooper

only issues i have with a sub is id want something small and discreet

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madmike87

That just means more money and not much differance

Yeah if you don't run a spare wheel I can make a false floor or even a box that would fit at the side in the boot

I've still got 4 amps and one sub left

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madmike87

its better but try and spend that extra for the front

remember you need an amp for the sub

or use the fli 4 channel running the front and the sub, then dont run rear speakers saving you money to spend on better front speakers

so that would be 100w rms for thr front and 225w rms for the sub

I'm selling a better spec sub for the same price its a 12" but will be more reliable

and a better amp for £50

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