going to be adding some camber onto the rear of my 6n2 soon, and would like to know what size washer i need to fit over the hub bolts?

thanks in advance

Please don't camber your car with washers!

personally I would use the correct shims by eibach but if you really want to know they're m10 bolts...

Camber shims are like 20 quid, don't be a gypo lol.

Ideally you need a 4 wheel alignment before and after as well.

And if you're lowered don't follow the instructions

washers are cheap. cheap is good!

I was expecting the shims vs washers argument, and I know people who have used both, everyone I know using shims, has had a bad experience with them because it has changed their toe angle because of being lowered, and caused them to go through tyres very quick which I can't afford to do, similarly I also know people who have used and are using washers, with no problems whatsoever, I'm not saying any way is right or wrong, or better, just giving my point as to why I'm going to use washers, and thank you to whoever said m10

Get signed onto vag-cat, it gives you a part diagram of every part of the car, part numbers, bolt sizes and length, it's awesome when you know your way around, and it's free.

M10, and it's pikey, but it'll work.

The people you know clearly don't know how to us pe the correction shims. Before fitting shims you need to know you camber angle and toe angle then using the chart you can set the toe back to factory settings while still adding camber and then tyre wear isn't a problem with washer you are only guessing at what camber angle you getting to which has an affect on the toe angle so will be further out that when you started people say put two on the front bolt one on the back to correct the toe but this can cause more problems.

You will also need longer bolts

You will need a alignment check before and after to make sure you got the setting correct.

£20 now is a lot cheaper than going through tyres every few months my tyres cost £50 a corner so not the cheapest if I had to replace evey few months

Edited 28 August, 201313 yr by mattieboi6n

Camber shims are not perfect but are much better than using washers. And if setup correctly will not induced tyre wear but help to fix it.

The Bolts apply a clamping force to the mating surface of the 2 parts. It’s the friction between these 2 surfaces that hold the item in place. By adding washers you a decreasing the mating surface area and therefore decreasing the friction between the 2 parts and there for putting more force on the bolts in a direction they are not designed to cope with. Worse case this could mean the bolts failing and your wheel coming off! Now of course people do run washers and they don’t die or the wheels don’t come off but that doesn’t mean it’s safe. For the sake of £20 I would do it ‘Semi’ properly.

The other issue will be the surface the bolt head clamps on to will be angled due to the camber of the stub axel. This is an issue with both washer and camber shims. It can be fixed with some kind of ‘cambered’ washers.

Camber shims or washers won't increase tyre wear PROVIDING YOU DO IT PROPERLY

People follow the instructions with the proper shims but common sense fails to apply the fact that when their cars lowered the beam is swung up a load from what the instructions are based around; thus usually increasing negative camber AND positive toe.

The "correct" way to do it is to measure your alignment before hand, and set each shim to give you your desired camber and toe, hence why they're adjustable in the first place.

Isn't like your cars going to be dead symmetrical after years of being driven anyway so it's worth doing it properly.

People massively under estimate the only 4 things on their car which are in contact with the road and the direction/angle in which they are pointing

but common sense fails to apply

Should be pinned.