iv seen a few polos around at meets and they have their indicators and repeaters constantly on and not flashing. Like day time running lights. Does this have a name and how do you do it?

Drill a hole in each indicator (on the inside..not outside) and fit a sidelight bulb holder into it and either wire them to the sidelights, or piggy back off the charging circuit and have them run with the engine.

You could swap the bulb holder for a dual filament type, and use a twin bulb, but it's difficult to get the single bulb to dim without the rest staying on. Difficult but not impossible

Ah okay thanks for that. i didn't think it was that hard. iv seen a few polos with it next time il go ask :)

When this is done well, both elements go out when indicator is in use (like Jap indicators).

Just adding another element makes it harder to see when the indicator is flashing.

Sounds like a nice alternative to DRL strips, once I get some clear lenses might give this a go

As I explained a couple week ago.

"Daytime running lights are designed to come on automatically when the engine is started - all other lights should remain off."

I would highly discourage using your 'indicators' as DRL's.

1) It's highly stupid to even think of that concept as being acceptable....
2) Indicators must remain off (unless indicating)
3) It is even Legal? - I'd highly doubt as it would also be an MOT fail not to mention the Police will have a field day with you along with the The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989.

4) If you had an accident and they found the fault to do with your indicators being modded, you wouldn't be covered and if someone died you be prosicuted to the highest level.
5) Most people would see the indicator on and would assume you are turning, I just don't think it's worth the risk.

I personally would not recommend doing it.

Details

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/safety/daytime-running-lights.html

I wouldn't use them as DRL's but make sure your indicator bulb massively out shines your side light one. Some older bm's have it so unsure on legality but there's are very dim compared to sidelight.

I did it on the rocco anyway and it doesn't over power indicator so should be fine

a lot of European market cars have this feature, and a lot of American market too. They usually come on with the engine, ie running light. Lorries have this, they are orange and always on.

Very good point about them going off when the indicator bulb flashes.

I personally wouldn't do this because I can't be bothered, but if it's for a show then knock yourself out.

Could just unplug them for the drive home etc.

The ones that have it as factory standard surely aren't wired into the indicator itself though? They're normally strips around the headlamp.

Wiring it into your indicator unit just seems ridiculously dangerous as no one on the road is ever going to know what you'd doing. Especially seeing as no one is going to expect an old Polo to have DRL'S.

No factory DRL are usually white. Some old BM's did come with these wired into indicator but were very dim and not a DRL just come on with sidelights.

Would definitely get pulled if you use indies as DRL's but you'll be fine with them on with your sidelights (depending how strict your local police are) as long as the indicator clearly overpowers them when switched on... and as long as you don't drive round with just sidelights on at night like some retards. Or the other kind of special "max power" kind of people who drive round with sidleights and fogs on... that shits just gay, stop it!

As I explained a couple week ago.

"Daytime running lights are designed to come on automatically when the engine is started - all other lights should remain off."

I would highly discourage using your 'indicators' as DRL's.

I've seen a lot of new cars that have the white DRL strips that double as amber indicators - surely a polo with clear indicator lenses and additional white sidelight bulbs (that would be wired to turn off when the amber bulbs for the indicators go on) is practially the same thing?

As I explained a couple week ago.

"Daytime running lights are designed to come on automatically when the engine is started - all other lights should remain off."

I would highly discourage using your 'indicators' as DRL's.

1) It's highly stupid to even think of that concept as being acceptable....

2) Indicators must remain off (unless indicating)

3) It is even Legal? - I'd highly doubt as it would also be an MOT fail not to mention the Police will have a field day with you along with the The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989.

4) If you had an accident and they found the fault to do with your indicators being modded, you wouldn't be covered and if someone died you be prosicuted to the highest level.

5) Most people would see the indicator on and would assume you are turning, I just don't think it's worth the risk.

I personally would not recommend doing it.

Details

http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/safety/daytime-running-lights.html

Really interested in point 4... Which insurance company has this policy?

I'm wondering as I've always been interested in the insurance company not being able to avoid paying a 3rd party when the insured accident causer is drunk.

Even more interested in a persons insurance being forced to pay a 3rd party when the car is stolen and crashed into (said) 3rd party....

I appreciate the insurance can lower your cover to 3rd party whilst your unfit to drive but if they are now able to avoid 3rd party claims as well - thats a big change.

I've always been irritated by the silly children with arc lights bodged into standard units and the pre-pubescents with bits cut off thier suspension springs - Indicators lit at 21w would be nasty but (in my opion) less dangerous than the legal LED DRL and LED rear lights that are pulse driven and burn deeply into my retinas almost every time I see them.

Whilst I'm whinging... I would like to execute every last a**hole who cant use a handbrake. On a dark dirty evening, stuck at traffic lights, staring into some dizzy tarts (male or female) brake lights simply because they are too stupid to apply the handbrake and take thier foot off the brake pedal. These dip-sh**s should be either be hung, drawn and quatered or forced to fit a device so that the brake lights go out once the car has stopped. Next time you come accross one of these twits (typo), use a cd to reflect the 100w of brake lights back into thier mirror - wobble it around - you'll find the spot that really irritates them (and it passes the time). Even though the world would be a better place without these brain dead school rejects - ensure you cease sometime before they need to move.

Even the Americans (no doubt the thickest and most ignorant species in the world) who have mostly automatics are capable of taking thier foot of the brake pedal at traffic lights.

Whinging over.....

Remind me never to up set you haha!

I think it would come down to a case by case basis as I'm sure they would try to get out from paying out on anything if they can.

However I agree with everything you just said.

Vio - New European laws came in for new cars to be equipped with DRLs everything is explained in the link above, however, if one is able to replicate the the requirements and retro fit them then I'm sure that would be ok.

DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS UK LAW

Daytime running lights (sometimes referred to as DRLs or daylight running lamps) are low-wattage bulbs that are fitted to a car to improve visibility during daylight hours. As of 7th February 2011* DRLs have become a mandatory fitting to all new type approved passenger vehicles (except trailers).

DRLs must switch on with the vehicle ignition and switch off when the vehicle sidelights are switched on. They can also be made to function as front position (side) lights, which operate at a reduced intensity when the vehicle sidelights are switched on.

You may have already seen DRLs out on the road - many manufacturers such as Audi have fitted them to new models. They can usually be found just below the car's main headlights, and normally switch on with the vehicle ignition and off when the vehicle sidelights are turned on.

All vehicles used on the roads in the UK must comply with the Road
Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989, as amended (Statutory instrument 1989
No. 1796). These Regulations do not mandate the fitment of Daytime
running lights on vehicles. Furthermore, the lighting regulations contain
no requirements for optionally retro-fitted DRL. Therefore there are no
detailed legal requirements on the placement of optionally fitted DRL in
the UK. If DRL are retro-fitted they must comply with the general
requirements of the lighting regulations including that they should not be
used so as to cause dazzle or discomfort to other road users. A small
number of older vehicles are required to be fitted with dim-dip devices or
as an alternative “running lamps” but that is unlikely to be the case for
a vehicle registered in 2011.



The figures quoted for placement (a height between 250 mm and 1500mm,
distance between the inner edges of the two lamps of at least 600mm)
appear to be based on those specified in the UNECE Regulation on lighting
installation, UNECE Regulation 48, which is available at:



[1]http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp2...



These requirements are compulsory for vehicle manufacturers wishing to
obtain EC type approval for their vehicles and can be considered as
helpful guidelines for those wishing to optionally retro fit DRL to ensure
they are effective.



Currently DRLs are not inspected as part of the MOT and retro-fitting DRL
will not result in a test failure regardless of their placement. If
future changes to the MOT scheme bring DRL within the scope, consideration
will need to be given as to how to treat retro-fitted DRL.

I still wouldn't retro fit them 'into a an indicator'.

I'm one of them assholes... deal with it

Next time you come accross one of these twits (typo), use a cd to reflect the 100w of brake lights back into thier mirror - wobble it around - you'll find the spot that really irritates them (and it passes the time).

This is a fantastic idea

I always either use the handbrake or balance the clutch as I was taught that excessively showing brake lights is unprofessional. I also always use my dim-dips rather than the main beams when driving in town even at night to avoid blinding people with my 4200ks

Edited 3 December, 201411 yr by Vio

Iv only ever seen people have them on in car parks of course its stupid to have them on when on the road because it would stop your indicators from working because they would be always on and not flashing. I think next time i seen someone with them il ask them.

Mine are on permanent, they don't stop the indicators working where'd you get that idea from?

Next time you come accross one of these twits (typo), use a cd to reflect the 100w of brake lights back into thier mirror - wobble it around - you'll find the spot that really irritates them (and it passes the time).

This is a fantastic idea

I always either use the handbrake or balance the clutch as I was taught that excessively showing brake lights is unprofessional. I also always use my dim-dips rather than the main beams when driving in town even at night to avoid blinding people with my 4200ks

By 'balance the clutch' do you mean slip the clutch? If not, please explain, as I am interested in this term.

If you DO mean slipping the clutch, them you must be a clutch fitters dream come true.

Regards anyway!!

Next time you come accross one of these twits (typo), use a cd to reflect the 100w of brake lights back into thier mirror - wobble it around - you'll find the spot that really irritates them (and it passes the time).

This is a fantastic idea

I always either use the handbrake or balance the clutch as I was taught that excessively showing brake lights is unprofessional. I also always use my dim-dips rather than the main beams when driving in town even at night to avoid blinding people with my 4200ks

By 'balance the clutch' do you mean slip the clutch? If not, please explain, as I am interested in this term.

If you DO mean slipping the clutch, them you must be a clutch fitters dream come true.

Regards anyway!!

Balancing the clutch

Normally, when a vehicle is stationary on an uphill slope it is necessary to use the handbrake in conjunction with clutch control to prevent the vehicle from rolling backwards when pulling away. However, in situations where the vehicle must be stopped briefly, for example in slow moving traffic, the clutch can be used to balance the uphill force from the engine with the downhill force of gravity.

Slipping the clutch (sometimes referred to as feathering the clutch) is a term used by automotive enthusiasts to describe when the driver alternately applies and releases the clutch to achieve some movement of the car. Drivers can frequently be observed slipping the clutch when they are trying to stay stationary on a hill without using neutral and the brake. They apply the clutch to climb a bit, then release to roll back, then apply again, etc. so that the car stays in about the same place.

Or that's how I understand it anyway

youre killing the clutch using to hold on hills , thats what the handbrake is for and F what anyone thinks to brake lights if its not wearing my clutch out

For me it usually depends on the hill and/or traffic. If it's steep enough that I need to actually use the throttle to keep from rolling backwards, or if I'm going to be stuck there for 10 minutes, I'll handbrake/neutral. But if I want to stop for 10 seconds on a 2%, I'll go with balancing. Also saves brake pads

I was once stuck behind a learner going downhill at 40mph on about a 15% slope, and they started braking at well over 500 yards before the traffic lights on red up ahead. They were so slow that I was able to gear down from 40mph in 4th to ~5mph in 1st whilst keeping a good distance, and only had to use the brake pedal for the last couple of feet. Satisfying

Brake pads are sight easier & cheaper to replace than the clutch !!!

Brake pads are sight easier & cheaper to replace than the clutch !!!

Got quoted £135 for new pads + discs yesterday, I don't particularly enjoy paying for either as it turns out

My clutch is in a state, and I'm willing to bet this is why.

Mine are on permanent, they don't stop the indicators working where'd you get that idea from?

what idea?