Better be safe then sorry, that’s all I can say after my tdi packed up on motorway, lucky for me I managed to get into 1st lane just in time to get on hard shoulder

AA man said I need a new valves or maybe a new engine all together,

What my best plan of action, I really don’t want to be ripped of by people having a look at it and charging me for the "unknown"

thanks

Edited 24 December, 200718 yr by doctor_dubby

Quite different engines AFAIK but FWIW my dad was on the motorway when the belt went on his mk2 GTD a few years back. New engine was required.

Try and get quotes from a few local places (dealerships and independent workshops) and see what they say. Be prepared to get violated though.

Edited 20 December, 200718 yr by steveeeee

yep almost certainly need a new engine, would have thrown a piston into a valve and destroyed eachother!! either that or your very lucky!!! unless they have sufficient valve clearence but being a diesel i doubt it!! good luck!

if your car has full vw service history (meaning they would have inspected the cambelt at service intervals), you might be able to claim under warrenty

head off to have a look.. could be destroyed engine? could be a new/refurbed head., depending on speed and revs of engine

Agree with PeteG40, don't make any decisions until you've had the head off. You might be lucky enough to have just bent all the valves.

you'll be looking at around 3 hours labour for someone to take the head off to inspect inside

the last job of this type i did the same had happend, belt snapped on motorway.

we got the head off and all 16 valves were bent (it was a petrol engine so i know its different to yours but anyway)

the thing is when the pistons have hit the valves at motorway revs, without stripping the engine completely to inspect the pistons properly you have no idea how badly the crown of the pistons are damaged. they may look only slightly dented from the top but if they're quite thin that dent could end up being a hole when you start it up.

we replaced the complete engine and were suprised at the price, £1500 + vat and it came complete with head, cams, cam cover, timing belt and covers, sump and had an oil filter on it :-)

autodata does describe your engine as an 'interference' engine

Does it have full Vw service history?? Where has it been serviced? Vw reccomend the cambelt is changed every 4 years irrespective of milage now.

Should have had the cam belt and water pump changed every 50,000 miles or every 3 years (whichever is soonest) to be on the safe side.

Unlucky dude. Time for a new engine.

Edited 21 December, 200718 yr by nick0323

thanks for the replys so far..

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thanks for the replys so far..

good video: -

At 60K miles, it is about the mileage the cam belt should be changed as a precaution. No idea what the normal mileage timescale is for the first cambelt change for your type of engine, you will have to find out.

I quite agree with the other guys, the first port of call is to check the service schedule and see whether, hopefully it was a VAG garage who has done the previous servicing and see what they advised after the last service. Did they say for inst. "cam belt will need changing PDQ as it shows signs of extreme wear". If they did say something along these lines and you did nothing, within a reasonable time scale, no leg to stand on. If nothing special was said and the service schedule had at all times been followed resonably within the mileage reccomendations? a case under the sale of goods act would be justifiable. I.e. not fit for the purpose.

60K is not much for any engine and provided you or someone has followed the servicing schedule etc., I think you would have a very good case to claim under a guarantee and if not possible, go direct to VAG UK and demand some form of financial assistance to make good.

As an aside, I had Renault 21 2,1litre diesel some years ago, no forced induction and at close to 200K the cam belt snapped, with wife driving. Apparently for 20mins. afterwards, she turned the engine over and over, as she did not realise what had happened. Lucky for me, I have a mate who runs a Renault garage and he gave me the low down. Cam cover off and look at, in this case the rockers. Remedy, replace 2 broken rockers + cam belt, Bob's your best builder!!! Reason, the valves in this engine are vertical in the head and in line with the pistons, so no bent valves!

No idea whether the valves in a TDI are vertical or inclined and no doubt somebody will be able to let you know. If they are inclined, you are likely to have 2-3 valves bent and 2-3 pistons 'scarred' Minimum work, head off! Unless you are mechanically minded and capable of replacing pistons, cheapest option is to change the engine.

Still think the best option is to go for VAG's throat. Shoddy goods....

Got a 92 1.4L diesel Polo. close to 200K. 2 cam belt changes so far. It has survived the 92 R21, 92 Corsa diesel, 84 Trafic petrol, all of next door's cars ( Year ago they started buying VWs). etc.....

Don't give up on it.

unlucky dood - you either win or lose with the cambelt situation.

My mate has done 125,000 miles on his FACTORY cambelt in his 1998 escort.......he wants it to go "PING" so he can put a 2.0ltr mondeo motor in,

Its taken 5yrs and it still hasnt broke hahahahahahaha

KiZ

The last time it was serviced by VAG was a long time ago,

I have had the head taken off and the mechanic has said that the timing belt breaking is related to an oil leaking problem, all valves are bent, cylinders are fine

He said that its going to cost £1000+ to repair, is that reasonable???

I am considering all my options for the moment

How much should I pay for another head?

How much should I pay for another engine?

Its 1.4 TDI PD 2001, and it 3 cylinders with 6 valves

Ill keep you updated as I get more info,

Thanks for all the help so far…

depends on the labour really.

a head reckn at a place called RES (rotherham engineering services) cost about £150 - but yours will need new valve seats and new valves - perhaps £350-£500 for that (guestimate) . A new head would be even more expensive. A head gasket/timing belt/pulley change will be £250 upwards I imagine so getting grandwise isnt unreasonable

I can get a 2nd hand head for £350, would you advise that?

a second hand one could be a risk unless you know mileage etc - it still might need stem seals - valves seating etc. Don't get me wrong, you could bolt it on with a timing belt and it'd work though.

I suppose second hand tdi stuff is quite rare - so you pay a premium.

bad news for you den bud

mines booked in for 4th feb :)

Edited 12 January, 200818 yr by jason11

depends on the labour really.

a head reckn at a place called RES (rotherham engineering services) cost about £150 - but yours will need new valve seats and new valves - perhaps £350-£500 for that (guestimate) . A new head would be even more expensive. A head gasket/timing belt/pulley change will be £250 upwards I imagine so getting grandwise isnt unreasonable

Thanks peteG40, looks like RES may be the right guys for the job, apparently they wont put the head back on to the engine, they will only rebuild it as I had it stripped from another mechanic.

So now I have the problem of getting the head back put back on to the engine, I have rang some mechanics up to see if they will do this and they don’t want to touch it.

I understand that getting the timing right with the head and cylinders is an issue,

What would you advise?

i'd say get a haynes manual and read up on it - it really is invaluable to knwo how things work. Its only an 8v head so shouldnt be too bad a job for any mechanic to fit. Why wont your mechanic?

and RES only do head reconditioning, not fitting